PP brake pads

[Impulsed7]

Sorry had to come in here and laugh at someone saying you could use the stock pads at the track... I got 4 laps out of the fronts at VIR, and then put carbotech's XP-10s for the next event and got 3 sessions before the rears were metal to metal.

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[BmacIL]

Thanks, Comp, that's exactly what I was hoping to hear. FWIW, for me it's more about choosing AX6's for my wife's LGT and our '01 Maxima some time in the near future than what the Mustang gets (it got XP12's up front only yesterday, track day coming up on the 14th, and the XP10's that came off had some heat cracks and were under 50%).


Norm

You must have some sticky rubber on the Legacy and Maxima.

 

[Budwise]

Terry Fair from Vorshlag and Aaron Sockwell from Dusold Designs put several sessions on the stock pads and got no fade and said the braking power was exceptionally good and the pads lasted no problem. If you're wearing out the pads in 3 sessions let alone 4 laps then something is terribly wrong with either your driving or the car. Are you driving while resting your foot on the brake?

 

[Impulsed7]

Terry Fair from Vorshlag and Aaron Sockwell from Dusold Designs put several sessions on the stock pads and got no fade and said the braking power was exceptionally good and the pads lasted no problem. If you're wearing out the pads in 3 sessions let alone 4 laps then something is terribly wrong with either your driving or the car. Are you driving while resting your foot on the brake?

Ha, no. After the first session of only getting 4 laps before almost lighting them on fire, I swapped fluid and band-aided it to 6 laps. Fronts are heat cracked down the middle. After the swap, the rears took most of the force and were gone. Maybe I'm hard on brakes, but keeping up with some of the cars in my run group on stock tires and stock brakes was just too much for em. youtube is Impulsed7 if you want to see some of the driving.

 

[Budwise]

Ha, no. After the first session of only getting 4 laps before almost lighting them on fire, I swapped fluid and band-aided it to 6 laps. Fronts are heat cracked down the middle. After the swap, the rears took most of the force and were gone. Maybe I'm hard on brakes, but keeping up with some of the cars in my run group on stock tires and stock brakes was just too much for em. youtube is Impulsed7 if you want to see some of the driving.

I watched your VIR video and I stand by my statement. Unless you're on slicks you shouldn't be killing pads like that. They were fresh pads going in correct?

Here's me at MSR Cresson on DS2500's
https://www.youtube.com/user/Budwise123/videos

Pads were fresh going in, and this was in March and I got probably around 2 hours of track time total that weekend. My car is heavier and hitting higher speeds being a GT vs your Ecoboost. I just pulled these same pads last weekend to swap to fresh pads for COTA in December and they still had a TON of meat on them.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Terry Fair from Vorshlag and Aaron Sockwell from Dusold Designs put several sessions on the stock pads and got no fade and said the braking power was exceptionally good and the pads lasted no problem. If you're wearing out the pads in 3 sessions let alone 4 laps then something is terribly wrong with either your driving or the car. Are you driving while resting your foot on the brake?

Here is that video for reference.

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[dontlifttoshift]

EB PP brakes not the same as GT PP brakes.....?

 

[Norm Peterson]

You must have some sticky rubber on the Legacy and Maxima.

Decent - MPSS on the Legacy for 3 seasons, MPA/S+ winters, and GY F1 Asymmetric A/S on the Max. The HPS pads on the Max are well past their 'best used (up) by" date.

I haven't shopped below Max Perf Summer or UHP All-Seasons in like, forever. And usually just among the top 3 or 4 in those categories. Somewhere around once per set the extra cost has justified itself.


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[BmacIL]

Decent - MPSS on the Legacy for 3 seasons, MPA/S+ winters, and GY F1 Asymmetric A/S on the Max. The HPS pads on the Max are well past their 'best used (up) by" date.

I haven't shopped below Max Perf Summer or UHP All-Seasons in like, forever. And usually just among the top 3 or 4 in those categories. Somewhere around once per set the extra cost has justified itself.


Norm

I could see needing a better pad if you have PSS on there. The F1 Asymmetric is a decent A/S. I liked it when I test drove 2015 V6 S550s. It's definitely better than the crap P Zero Nero on the GTs .

I'm surprised you don't go for an actual winter tire on the Legacy if you're already doing a swap.

 

[BmacIL]

EB PP brakes not the same as GT PP brakes.....?

EB PP brakes = GT non-PP brakes

 

[Norm Peterson]

I'm surprised you don't go for an actual winter tire on the Legacy if you're already doing a swap.

Heh . . . the LGT (turbocharged, 6-speed manual) was the closest thing to a track toy in the Legacy lineup - kind of why we got it even though it may never actually be taken on hot laps. The average low temperature here is still in the 20°'s, what generally small amounts of snow we do get, get cleared pretty quickly, and since we're both retired we don't actually have to go anywhere (let alone get there on anybody else's schedule).


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[dwaleke]

Here is that video for reference.

They were not racing in that video. Go 3 wide into a corner in door-to-door racing a few times and your stock pads will be toast.

Hot lapping and running qualifying laps is considerably easier on brakes than actual track racing.

In other platforms you'd be lucky enough to get 4 or 5 corners on stock pads before they give out. The PP brakes are big on this car, but I wouldn't imagine too much better.

 

[Budwise]

I am mistaken I thought the EB PP had the 6 pistons, it has the 4 pistons. But I tracked my 2013 GT with those 4 pistons and also never burned through the pads.

 

[Impulsed7]

Yea, the eco has the 4 piston. My Eco is about 300 lbs lighter than the GT though. With the PCA group, I even have to play nice, wait for point bys and such. With Rezoom, its open passing, still play nice, but its a more race like group.

I am hard on brakes when I drive. My old race car used to eat DTC60's after I really learned how to lean on them, so I swapped to 70's, then I ate them. Only some endurance PF pads lasted after that. Perf pack ecoboost is on P Zero's which are almost as sticky as the Michelins you all are referencing when you properly warm them up. I'll throw up some pics of the rears, forgot to take pics of the fronts before I tossed em.

 

[Budwise]

I dub thee, The Destroyer of Pads!

Your rotors should be toast before DTC60's or 70's give way. I guess its time to upgrade to the 6 piston.

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