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[SILVER GT]

Very cool car. Would make for a fantastic daily driver in the future...

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[mustang_guy]

Alot of people I know that have had several subarus just can't deal with the garbage EJ engines in the WRX/STI anymore. The build quality and durability of these engines is really poor. Everything from spun rod bearings to cracked ring lands is pretty common. Even if the RS is not way faster, its probably a better platform to start with especially when it comes to the ecoboost 2.3 engine. I have never liked subaru boxer engines in general since they have really bad VE and have a crazy exhaust manifold setup that hurts your exhaust gas velocity and heat retention. Forget about finding a suitable aftermaket setup that doesn't crack over time. I'll leave the boxes engines to Porsche when it come to performance.

Well they aren't garbage, the minorities speak the loudest with them. I used to be a Subaru master tech. Spun rod and cracked ring is not the wide spread issue the forums made it sound. I replaced more blown up 5spds from modded wrx's, 10 fold. Its effecting a very small percentage actually. The exhaust manifold can be changed for an ELH. Killer bees offer a lifetime warranty. Its also the best with power output as well. Personally ive had 4 sti as daily drivers. I current daily one while the 14 gt500 I sold was weekend warrior. Ive put over 300,000+ miles between them and never have had spun rods or cracked ringlands or HG issues. Also had an ej255 with zero issues. So while your opinion is appreciated about the motor, what you've said is not a FACT. Its stupid forum panic.

 

[stage3s4]

Well they aren't garbage, the minorities speak the loudest with them. I used to be a Subaru master tech. Spun rod and cracked ring is not the wide spread issue the forums made it sound. I replaced more blown up 5spds from modded wrx's, 10 fold. Its effecting a very small percentage actually. The exhaust manifold can be changed for an ELH. Killer bees offer a lifetime warranty. Its also the best with power output as well. Personally ive had 4 sti as daily drivers. I current daily one while the 14 gt500 I sold was weekend warrior. Ive put over 300,000+ miles between them and never have had spun rods or cracked ringlands or HG issues. Also had an ej255 with zero issues. So while your opinion is appreciated about the motor, what you've said is not a FACT. Its stupid forum panic.

Its deff not forum panic. I have had 2 subarus both with ring land issues. One just had a tune with only 34k on the clock. Also a buddy of mine owns a shop and makes a ton of money building broken subaru engines all day long. Its fact. Many people have issues while some don't. It always seems like Subaru owners try to downplay issues that exist saying things like" oh yea only happens once in a blue moon" Well if this happened to you I'm sure you would think differently. If mitsu still had the 4G63 in the evo it wouldn't even be a discussion in my opinion on which motor is better at this point. You are pro Subaru which is fine but I would not write the RS off because its not going to blow the doors off of an STI that has basically had the same motor in it since 2004. It has 40+ more hp than an STi anyways. How would this car not be faster than an STI? I'm sure the curb weight of both cars is pretty close.

 

[Kevin08]

Subarus aren't performance cars. They're trendy happy-go-lucky mobiles in which Earth is good and you're a fun loving family member who does all imaginable outdoor hobbies that require a rack or vehicle-mounted carrier. Haven't you seen the commercials?

 

[Kbreese]

Hot hatches are fantastic do-it-all cars, especially those with AWD like this and the Golf R. Personally I wouldn't consider the STi, because it's a bit crude, dated, and all the problems you hear with their engines.

Problem I see with this car (And the Golf R), is simply the availability and price. Pretty sure people won't be able to use X-plan or any other type of discount pricing and on top of that dealers will probably price gouge.

Mustangs on the other hand you have no problem acquiring easily and at a nice discount with X-plan pricing and/or negotiation.

Obviously mustangs are in a different category, but in terms of bang for the buck I think the stangs will still be far ahead because of what I mentioned above. And the aftermarket potential with a Mustang is hard to beat. Sure you can tune/dp/etc these hot hatches and see 11's, but then they are pretty much done unless you get crazy with it. With the mustang you can Add a $5k supercharger kit and be making BIG power. That doesn't matter to many, as 11's is plenty fast enough for most, but it's still nice that the extra potential is there with the stang.

 

[mustang_guy]

Its deff not forum panic. I have had 2 subarus both with ring land issues. One just had a tune with only 34k on the clock. Also a buddy of mine owns a shop and makes a ton of money building broken subaru engines all day long. Its fact. Many people have issues while some don't. It always seems like Subaru owners try to downplay issues that exist saying things like" oh yea only happens once in a blue moon" Well if this happened to you I'm sure you would think differently. If mitsu still had the 4G63 in the evo it wouldn't even be a discussion in my opinion on which motor is better at this point. You are pro Subaru which is fine but I would not write the RS off because its not going to blow the doors off of an STI that has basically had the same motor in it since 2004. It has 40+ more hp than an STi anyways. How would this car not be faster than an STI? I'm sure the curb weight of both cars is pretty close.

So..you're going to tell someone who saw subarus every day for a living whats not forum panic? Many people don't have issues. The minority do. He makes a ton of money because you have to pull the motor to rebuild. The majority of blown up Ej motors were running cobb OTS shit tunes or running too much power for the stock block and following the moronic nasioc mod method. The majority of tuners for subarus are shit. There is only a handful of worth a shit tuners. Im actually pro 4g63 but I like subarus for dailys. But being I did subarus all day every day for quite a few years I know they are pretty well built. I don't pretend they are Toyota reliable, but they are reliable. For 40+ hp so far its 0-60 isn't reflecting that.

The EJ problems you hear are blown way out of proportion just like the MT-82 problems and engine tick in the coyote. Forums always spread panic.

 

[GoBlues38]

Problem I see with this car (And the Golf R), is simply the availability and price. Pretty sure people won't be able to use X-plan or any other type of discount pricing and on top of that dealers will probably price gouge.
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True this.

Back in March, I was shopping for a 2015 Golf R. Followed a random you tube link and learned about the G6 2015 Mustang GT.

When I saw what I could get in a mustang for less then an optioned out Golf R, I was sold. Went to the dealer the next day, test drove, and bought a day later.

The only saving grace is the AWD aspect.

 

[stage3s4]

So..you're going to tell someone who saw subarus every day for a living whats not forum panic? Many people don't have issues. The minority do. He makes a ton of money because you have to pull the motor to rebuild. The majority of blown up Ej motors were running cobb OTS shit tunes or running too much power for the stock block and following the moronic nasioc mod method. The majority of tuners for subarus are shit. There is only a handful of worth a shit tuners. Im actually pro 4g63 but I like subarus for dailys. But being I did subarus all day every day for quite a few years I know they are pretty well built. I don't pretend they are Toyota reliable, but they are reliable. For 40+ hp so far its 0-60 isn't reflecting that.

The EJ problems you hear are blown way out of proportion just like the MT-82 problems and engine tick in the coyote. Forums always spread panic.

I'm not arguing with you. I made my opinion based on my experience. Yours may vary which is fine. no harm no foul. I did not base on my opinions any forum chat chit. I don't even use Nasioc or Subaru forums so I couldn't tell you what the flavor of the week is there.

Also my friend does mostly warranty work for aftermakert warranty companies or engines that subaru would not fix due to voided warranty for various reasons. Not just run of the mill engine builds for the guy looking to do 500whp.

 

[stage3s4]

Hot hatches are fantastic do-it-all cars, especially those with AWD like this and the Golf R. Personally I wouldn't consider the STi, because it's a bit crude, dated, and all the problems you hear with their engines.

Problem I see with this car (And the Golf R), is simply the availability and price. Pretty sure people won't be able to use X-plan or any other type of discount pricing and on top of that dealers will probably price gouge.

Mustangs on the other hand you have no problem acquiring easily and at a nice discount with X-plan pricing and/or negotiation.

Obviously mustangs are in a different category, but in terms of bang for the buck I think the stangs will still be far ahead because of what I mentioned above. And the aftermarket potential with a Mustang is hard to beat. Sure you can tune/dp/etc these hot hatches and see 11's, but then they are pretty much done unless you get crazy with it. With the mustang you can Add a $5k supercharger kit and be making BIG power. That doesn't matter to many, as 11's is plenty fast enough for most, but it's still nice that the extra potential is there with the stang.

I had a mk6 golf r before I got the stang. Great car for what it is but deff not bang for the buck. The worst part is the clutch would slip at stage 2 power levels and required a $1000+ clutch kit. So at that point I didn't see the point in dropping all that money into a car to go low 12s. The new Mk7 golf r is on anther level though since it has a DSG trans. They will run 11s consistently with just a couple of bolt ons. The AWD and DSG is a killer combination at the drag strip. Alot of people are upset that you can not get a 6 speed manual in the Mk7 golf R though so that should help the sales of the RS.

The STI comment is fair. Like I said earlier its essentially the same engine and trans they have had in the STI since 2004 and you'r paying 36k+ for that. Just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Kbreese]

I had a mk6 golf r before I got the stang. Great car for what it is but deff not bang for the buck. The worst part is the clutch would slip at stage 2 power levels and required a $1000+ clutch kit. So at that point I didn't see the point in dropping all that money into a car to go low 12s. The new Mk7 golf r is on anther level though since it has a DSG trans. They will run 11s consistently with just a couple of bolt ons. The AWD and DSG is a killer combination at the drag strip. Alot of people are upset that you can not get a 6 speed manual in the Mk7 golf R though so that should help the sales of the RS.

The STI comment is fair. Like I said earlier its essentially the same engine and trans they have had in the STI since 2004 and you'r paying 36k+ for that. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Actually, for 2016 the manual is available for the mk7 golf R, here in the U.S. Most reviews though say the DSG is so good that they prefer it over a manual. Even die-hard manual guys have said that about it. But you do save $1000 if you choose the manual, and I'm sure it' still the most fun.

How are you enjoying the mustang compared to your old mk6 golf R? I've known a few people that have owned both said the golf was a little bit more fun to drive, but I think that's just the nature of a smaller lighter car, in general.

With regard to the STI, I agree, and I think it's completely ridiculous that its the same engine for the past 11 years, especially since everything has changed so much since then. It's been big time HP wars for the past 5-10 years...I mean other cars have made huge strides in power and refinement and they sit back with the same outdated crap, its laughable. Poor subie fans.

 

[stage3s4]

Actually, for 2016 the manual is available for the mk7 golf R, here in the U.S. Most reviews though say the DSG is so good that they prefer it over a manual. Even die-hard manual guys have said that about it. But you do save $1000 if you choose the manual, and I'm sure it' still the most fun.

How are you enjoying the mustang compared to your old mk6 golf R? I've known a few people that have owned both said the golf was a little bit more fun to drive, but I think that's just the nature of a smaller lighter car, in general.

With regard to the STI, I agree, and I think it's completely ridiculous that its the same engine for the past 11 years, especially since everything has changed so much since then. It's been big time HP wars for the past 5-10 years...I mean other cars have made huge strides in power and refinement and they sit back with the same outdated crap, its laughable. Poor subie fans.

hmm thats odd, I know they originally announced that the US would get the 6speed but they didn't announce when. When I looked back in july they only had DSG available. Seems now you can get the 6 speed. I would deff not get the 6speed just because of the clutch issue you will have. But thats me. Hopefully the clutch in the RS is better and can hold up to mods.

The Golf R is a very different car than the mustang in almost every way. I used my Golf R as my daily driver. Since I got my b5 s4 back on the road, I have no need for 2 AWD cars. The Mk6 golf R was pretty slow for what I'm used to. I mean with a downpipe and tune I ran low 13s, and they run about 14s stock. I liked that it was really small, nimble, compact and easy to drive. It handled really well with just springs. The stang is just so much faster right out of the box but its a much bigger car and seems harder to drive if that makes sense. I was seriously considering the Challenger scat pack but its just way too big of car for what I'm used to. Overall I like the Stang much better since it really is more of a true sports car. If you are into bang for the buck, I would stay away from cars like Golf Rs, Audi S3s, ETC.

 

[benanderson89]

GT killer? No. And not for $45k (£28,940 is $45k)- about $10k more than the average GT.

Considering the weight, 4WD and low end turbo kick, it'll come pretty damn close. Official 0-62 is already on par.

As for price, you base it on purchasing power, not exchange rate. The Focus RS costs less than the Golf R, WRX STi and Mustang EcoBoost over the pond for example.

 

[Blk2015GT]

Considering the weight, 4WD and low end turbo kick, it'll come pretty damn close. Official 0-62 is already on par.

As for price, you base it on purchasing power, not exchange rate. The Focus RS costs less than the Golf R, WRX STi and Mustang EcoBoost over the pond for example.

Lol ok. We're talking US here hence the price conversion. Otherwise why would I care what the US price is?

Price matters to 99.9% of consumers, with exception of the super wealthy. It's not purchasing power based on other compacts, while the other side of the mouth says it runs with a GT. That's just misdirection talk. We get cars are marked up there, like Mustangs, but that's not true everywhere.

Here, the RS will cost significantly more than a GT as the base price is already more than a base GT. Then that becomes just as bad an argument as the Camaro fanbois saying the new SS is $4k more so Mustang owners should just totally discount that fact turn the blind eye to price and compare bone stock car to bone stock car and boom WE WIN CAMAROZZZ; instead of a GT with $4k of bolt ons.

 

[04SloSnake]

Lol ok. We're talking US here hence the price conversion. Otherwise why would I care what the US price is?

Price matters to 99.9% of consumers, with exception of the super wealthy. It's not purchasing power based on other compacts, while the other side of the mouth says it runs with a GT. That's just misdirection talk. We get cars are marked up there, like Mustangs, but that's not true everywhere.

Here, the RS will cost significantly more than a GT as the base price is already more than a base GT. Then that becomes just as bad an argument as the Camaro fanbois saying the new SS is $4k more so Mustang owners should just totally discount that fact turn the blind eye to price and compare bone stock car to bone stock car and boom WE WIN CAMAROZZZ; instead of a GT with $4k of bolt ons.

But the RS1 is closer in options to the Premium than the Base, so you can't compare the pricing to the Base. The closest comparison would be a Premium w/ PP and Recaros.

 

[Glenn G]

It's a bad ass car that's for sure, lets just hope ford makes those engine upgrades available for the Mustang.

Actually doesn't a Cobb Stage one pretty much put you over 345 hp at the crank?

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