more EV regret from the previously enchanted...

[AZlb5.0]

You keep bringing up politics.

He can’t help himself.

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[K4fxd]

He can’t help himself.

It's classic, accuse the other that which you do yourself.

 

[Gregs24]

He can’t help himself.

Oh so you can't then

 

[K4fxd]

More lies???

 

[K4fxd]

Wow, just wow.

 

[sk47]

Wow, just wow.

Hello; Two things. One is i did not see any people leave the bus. Video said no injuries so maybe no one on the bus???.
Video said batteries are on the roof of the bus. A new thing to me. Figured they would be low in the chassis.

 

[K4fxd]

Here is a fire in Phoenix the media is blaming on propane. They show many scorched propane tanks and they tell us the tanks have exploded. None of the tanks look to have exploded. No jagged metal anywhere. The tanks are designed not to explode.

I think an EV decided to let the smoke out and the propane tanks are a handy scapegoat.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fire-burns-several-cars-building-163702668.html

 

[Gregs24]

Oh you just made a mistake. The champions of EVs will come here and tell you how these videos were doctored and they aren’t real.

You do get confused by realists and champions. Understanding the growth of EV's doesn't make a person a champion.

 

[jtmat]

Ford is forecasting that its electric vehicle division will lose $4.5 billion this year, the U.S. automaker announced on Thursday. The division, called Ford Model e, has already shed about $1.8 billion in 2023 so far.
Bazinga

We've been through that already in the other thread. You remember the post that even included pictures to make it easier to understand.

You know very little about business (sound familiar? Welcome back!!!! ).

 

[sk47]

We've been through that already in the other thread. You remember the post that even included pictures to make it easier to understand.

You know very little about business (sound familiar? Welcome back!!!! ).

Hello; My imaginary neighbor sells 10,000 units of some imaginary ICE product. I sell 10 imaginary units of a BEV product. Next year my neighbor sells 9,985 ICE units and I sell fifteen BEV units. My sales are up a whopping big percent and my neighbors' sales are down a tiny amount.

 

[Gregs24]

Ford is forecasting that its electric vehicle division will lose $4.5 billion this year, the U.S. automaker announced on Thursday. The division, called Ford Model e, has already shed about $1.8 billion in 2023 so far.
Bazinga

Why would that be a surprise? The Bazinga (sic) is on you

Early stages of EV development require investment up front.

Have you ever run / started a business? Pretty basic stuff.

 

[sk47]

Why would that be a surprise? The Bazinga (sic) is on you

Early stages of EV development require investment up front.

Have you ever run / started a business? Pretty basic stuff.

Hello; Never started a business myself but have known personally a few men who opened coal mines and know of some others. It is correct that a lot of upfront capital has to be spent. Might take a year or more to build a face and get the other structure in place. All the while paying wages. Things is once they started getting coal on the ground to sell the balance sheet starts to go the other way. For a time selling the product at market value goes to paying off the initial capital outlay. The ledger sheets start to show less loss and product is moved.
I get my simple example is crude and leaves out lots of important details. However, the point is this start up outlay of monies can only last so long. I have no personal way to determine the why behind a glut of product (BEV's in this case) on dealer lots, if that in fact is happening. One or two things can be figured.
A main one being that for whatever reason people are not buying them. The various champions keep telling us that BEV's are the hot selling product nowadays. Would seem something is not adding up.

My personal take so far is the price of a BEV, even with incentives, is too high for what is an inferior product. That particular variable may be changing as the policies against fossil fuels are beginning to up the cost of ICE fuel lately. May get the cost to run a BEV to actually be less than an ICE eventually. Then the next big question could be will there continue to be sufficient BEV fuel (electricity) available from the grids. The BEV will still be an inferior product even if it becomes less costly to buy and operate.

Side Note- A friend who does part time work for an area coal mine tells me most of the miners have been furloughed. That means the miners will keep their medical coverage and such benefits, but will not be working and drawing a wage for a time. The mines of the company have many unit train loads of coal on the ground and need to move some of it. So, a temporary halt in production. Some men will be kept on of course, such as the mine safety crew my friend is in charge of training.
We all get why coal can have such issues. It is after all the maddest baddest of the fossil fuel big three. Not real clear why the shiny new planet saving BEV's are sitting unsold on lots if such is the case???

 

[K4fxd]

Not real clear why the shiny new planet saving BEV's are sitting unsold on lots if such is the case???

They cost too much and have a bad track record.

My personal take so far is the price of a BEV, even with incentives, is too high for what is an inferior product.

Correct.
The other point is right now it costs Ford more to make a BEV than what they can sell it for.
The mandates are called central planning and it NEVER works. If the mandates would go away and if BEV's are the future they will slowly take over.

 

[sk47]

They cost too much and have a bad track record.

Correct.
The other point is right now it costs Ford more to make a BEV than what they can sell it for.
The mandates are called central planning and it NEVER works. If the mandates would go away and if BEV's are the future they will slowly take over.

Hello; I get that the champions do not accept it but I have no particular problem with the existence of BEV's. As stated many times before allow them to compete fairly with other transportation methods and see which wins out.
I figure they will fit the lifestyle of a limited part of the population as they currently exist. Should the major operational problems be fixed, they may possibly become equal to the ICE and other possible transport energy systems. That leaves the cost to buy and operate.

There is the enormous cost to upgrade the grids around the world if this idealized all BEV future is forced into place. The grids can be fixed and upgraded an a more reasonable cost if stretched out over time. These various mandates planned to commence at or around 2030 will not result in a gradual upgrade.

I like the idea of an alternative form of transport. A BEV of moderate range, say 200 miles, could do near 90% of my runaround driving each year. The cost being a major problem to the idea of having such a second or third BEV vehicle.

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