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[Tacswa]

Congrats, just picked up a black Bullitt myself

 

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Put up a pic.

 

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[PizzyP]

did you install the stripes or did you buy with?

 

[Tacswa]

did you install the stripes or did you buy with?

I bought it with them installed. Dealer installed them a few days before I bought it. I think they look great on it.

 

[Elp_jc]

Bought mine yesterday at Alamogordo, NM, and since it's pretty close to Cloudcroft/SunSpot/Timberon (also in NM), which has world-class twisties (love those on bikes), took it there for a shakedown. It was everything I expected. Didn't push the car too hard (0.85Gs), since tires were new. Minimal body roll, and just the expected initial transition movement due to 40-series tires. Handling is not up to my Cayman 2016 GTS (last year of the NA H6), with all sport options, which included 20" wheels with a finger of rubber, but pretty close. And immensely more comfortable, so a win-win for me. Just a tad of understeer, as expected, with the engine in front, but easily dialed out with the throttle. It was awesome.

 

[murphyrg]

Bought mine yesterday at Alamogordo, NM, and since it's pretty close to Cloudcroft/SunSpot/Timberon (also in NM), which has world-class twisties (love those on bikes), took it there for a shakedown. It was everything I expected. Didn't push the car too hard (0.85Gs), since tires were new. Minimal body roll, and just the expected initial transition movement due to 40-series tires. Handling is not up to my Cayman 2016 GTS (last year of the NA H6), with all sport options, which included 20" wheels with a finger of rubber, but pretty close. And immensely more comfortable, so a win-win for me. Just a tad of understeer, as expected, with the engine in front, but easily dialed out with the throttle. It was awesome.

Funny that you also have a Cayman. A friend with whom I own some old cars was suggesting I consider a used Cayman instead of the Bullitt for my daily driver/modern fun car. Although I have always liked the Cayman, I have only driven newer 911s so I have no basis for comparison. The short test drive I took in a MagneRide Bullitt had me convinced that it would be acceptable for my daily 35 mile freeway drone. In what way was it more comfortable than your Cayman GTS?

 

[Elp_jc]

Basically in every way. Ha ha. The Cayman is a smaller car (I'm 5'10" and 160#, so it was fine for me), with sport suspension (no PASM available) is MUCH stiffer than the Bullitt (in good part due to the 20s), even in sport mode, it's also significantly louder inside (sport exhaust is just as loud inside in open than close mode, which makes no sense), and finally, MUCH lower than the Bullitt, so definitely NOT daily driver friendly. The newer 4-banger turbo Caymans have sport suspension with PASM, and due to the turbos, the sport exhaust is quieter, and if you have smaller wheels, it should have a better ride. But the other drawbacks remain. It was an awesome car, but after owning the Bullitt, even for a day, no way I'd justify another Porsche, to be brutally honest. This V8 with the active exhaust is the best V8 I've even owned (super smooth, refined, reliable, and quite powerful), and the best sounding V8 I've ever heard. That, coupled with the excellent tranny (IMO), incredible differential (Torsen), and amazing MagneRide suspension (that's what my brother's Ferrari has), it's the bargain of the century IMO. To me, it's the best Mustang, since it combines sportiness with travel friendliness, which is what I was looking for. So you did the right decision, and saved a lot of money in the process . Hope this helps.

 

[murphyrg]

Basically in every way. Ha ha. The Cayman is a smaller car (I'm 5'10" and 160#, so it was fine for me), with sport suspension (no PASM available) is MUCH stiffer than the Bullitt (in good part due to the 20s), even in sport mode, it's also significantly louder inside (sport exhaust is just as loud inside in open than close mode, which makes no sense), and finally, MUCH lower than the Bullitt, so definitely NOT daily driver friendly. The newer 4-banger turbo Caymans have sport suspension with PASM, and due to the turbos, the sport exhaust is quieter, and if you have smaller wheels, it should have a better ride. But the other drawbacks remain. It was an awesome car, but after owning the Bullitt, even for a day, no way I'd justify another Porsche, to be brutally honest. This V8 with the active exhaust is the best V8 I've even owned (super smooth, refined, reliable, and quite powerful), and the best sounding V8 I've ever heard. That, coupled with the excellent tranny (IMO), incredible differential (Torsen), and amazing MagneRide suspension (that's what my brother's Ferrari has), it's the bargain of the century IMO. To me, it's the best Mustang, since it combines sportiness with travel friendliness, which is what I was looking for. So you did the right decision, and saved a lot of money in the process . Hope this helps.

It does help. Thanks for the detailed response. Since GM introduced the original version of MagneRide years back, I've had an uninformed, but critical opinion of the concept. I had assumed that if you significantly alter the damping without changing the spring rate, that you would seldom have the optimum situation and would be forever dithering between an under or over damped suspension. Shows how little I know - it seems to work pretty well.

And I'm really looking forward to the active exhaust. Engine note is very important to me, but I still need to be on speaking terms with my neighbors.

Thanks again for all your input and enjoy your new car!

 

[Elp_jc]

I've had an uninformed, but critical opinion of the concept. I had assumed that if you significantly alter the damping without changing the spring rate, that you would seldom have the optimum situation

Hey, that's not uninformed at all; that's EXACTLY what it is. The key is to dial the suspension in general with one of the settings, rather than in the middle, like it was done before. But it's also complicated with fixed suspension. My Cayman, for example, has fixed sport suspension, so supposedly the best for sport and track driving, but there are 2 buts. Ha ha. The first, conventional shocks don't hold a candle to MR, since the latter ones can adjust hundreds of times per second. That means you can slide in a curve in the supposedly superior suspension, if the shocks can't adapt to rippled asphalt, for instance. And if you wanted smoother the 90%+ of the time you weren't having fun, then you were out of luck. And that's where MR comes in. They can work their magic without having to have a rock hard spring rate. And it feels to be that Ford dialed in the suspension on GT PP1s in sport mode, meaning it feels cohesive there. In normal mode, it doesn't feel 'optimal', like you put it. But that's exactly what you want, right? Have a more comfortable ride. If you hit some twisties and want to have some fun, just flick the mode toggle switch a couple of times and you're there. By the way, MR only has 2 modes, so track is just different mapping for the throttle and steering. Not sure what drag does, to be honest. And same with normal and snow, which use the softer setting. So nothing will be perfect for everything, but it's pretty close, especially for its price point. Also keep in mind we're not talking about tracking here, because you'd definitely feel the PP1 lacking... but that's what PP2s are for. You can add bracing to a PP1, for instance. My Cayman felt like on rails when it was smooth. Wish the Bullitt felt like that, since that little bit more capability feels awesome, but I'm not willing to pay the price for that anymore. You just have to find the balance you're seeking. I did a lot of research, and some folks were criticizing me that I was thinking too hard, and crap like that. Well, that's exactly what you have to do if you don't want to make a $50K mistake. Ha ha. And glad you're doing the same thing, so happy to help.

Finally, there is ONE car which could do 2 suspension settings with no drawback I could feel. And that was my buddy's McLaren 720S. Man, it was incredible. But those cars have HYDRAULIC suspension, so they can ride soft with zero body roll. And contrary to air bags, which are infinitely 'lazier' for sport driving, high-pressure hydraulics react in milliseconds. And since the suspension doesn't have to do 2 things at once, it's incredible how capable and comfortable it is at the same time; super compliant. Absolutely confidence inspiring. But the little one doesn't have that suspension, so you have to move to the 600s for that, and deep into 6 figures. The Bullitt is a bargain IMO, especially with 2019 leftovers. And has a Torsen, which is incredible, but deemed too heavy for serious sports cars. Go drive one, and let us know how it felt. But remember you'll be riding in 40-section tires, so most of the transitional 'slop' is due to those. You could significantly lessen that with 20", but at least for me, there's no need. I like the ride with the 19s for my wife. If I was to always drive alone, I'd definitely increase the sportiness a couple of notches . Take care.

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