Jon Lund Jr. discusses latest rumors about Lund Racing/future of EFI Tuning

[CJJon]

Doesn't matter. Courts and CONgress can yell till they're all lathered up. No troops, no enforcement.

Wow, no offence meant - but that is just wrong.

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[shogun32]

Wow, no offence meant - but that is just wrong.

at the great risk of derailing the thread completely, how so? That any state listens and honors a federal court ruling is by CONSENT. If Ohio revokes their consent the feds are totally powerless unless they roll the Army. We had this situation once or twice before (1776, 1861) Given the way things are going recently it's not at all far-fetched round 3 is coming up.

 

[racingandfishing]

at the great risk of derailing the thread completely, how so? That any state listens and honors a federal court ruling is by CONSENT. If Ohio revokes their consent the feds are totally powerless unless they roll the Army. We had this situation once or twice before (1776, 1861) Given the way things are going recently it's not at all far-fetched round 3 is coming up.

It would be like when the Fed's instituted a 55 MPH speed limit or when here in Texas they wanted the drinking age to be 21 nationwide and our was 18 or 19 at the time. Texas could have said no, but then they would just cut federal funding for the state. Texas complied and no army needed.

 

[CJJon]

at the great risk of derailing the thread completely, how so? That any state listens and honors a federal court ruling is by CONSENT. If Ohio revokes their consent the feds are totally powerless unless they roll the Army. We had this situation once or twice before (1776, 1861) Given the way things are going recently it's not at all far-fetched round 3 is coming up.

The Mann Act is an example. So are the federal racketeering laws, Consumer Protection act. The states and people in them just can't decide to do whatever and just think the Feds only power is to cut off funding.

There are federal agents with handcuffs and guns ya know.

 

[shogun32]

Texas complied and no army needed.

and that was their choice to knuckle under and "be ruled" in exchange for money. TX could have just said FU, we're keeping all Federal remits and what'cha going to do about it and passed whatever MPH and drinking age they wanted. Just because the various States have chosen to be slaves to Federal funds handouts doesn't mean that is the correct and proper order of things.

There are federal agents with handcuffs and guns ya know.

Indeed. But the individual States have their own army. What is a couple hundred Feds against 15+ million citizens? Dead, or running for their lives. We're seeing this play out in "2nd Amendment sanctuaries" where the local populace and their armed representatives (eg. police) have put the federales on notice that they will be arrested if they try to enforce Washington's laws. The people in those counties have REVOKED their consent to be ruled on that particular topic.

The Feds can pass any GD edict/law they want. If consent is revoked, it matters not. What do you think the Civil War was about? The South revoked their consent and the North showed up with an Army to literally force thru threat of arms and death the South to Obey what Washington decreed. I'm no fan of slavery (it was on it's way out anyway) but it is an eternal shame the South didn't win the war.

 

[racingandfishing]

and that was their choice to knuckle under and "be ruled" in exchange for money. TX could have just said FU, we're keeping all Federal remits and what'cha going to do about it and passed whatever MPH and drinking age they wanted. Just because the various States have chosen to be slaves to Federal funds handouts doesn't mean that is the correct and proper order of things.

Not arguing if it is right or not and yes, they could have said no...but it goes by the golden rule...he who has the money makes the rules.

Now, if they try to take the guns, that would be a different story and succession might become a real thing!

 

[racingandfishing]

Indeed. But the individual States have their own army. What is a couple hundred Feds against 15+ million citizens? Dead, or running for their lives.

Yeah but this isn't a militia against a militia...the states don't have aircraft carriers, submarines, fighter jets, tanks and an arsenal of missiles and bombs.

 

[CJJon]

So, the Second Civil War will be fought over auto emissions?

Mmm-kay.

 

[shogun32]

So, the Second Civil War will be fought over auto emissions?

oh come on. Not hardly. I was simply illustrating the point that without guns to enforce, the various States can and ALREADY do as they see fit be it Cannabis, emissions, taxes, guns, masks, immigration, or whatnot. We already have States or smaller jurisdictions flouting Federal law on several of them.

 

[CEHollier]

So, the Second Civil War will be fought over auto emissions?

Mmm-kay.

One of many straws.

 

[Dtmlloyd]

Most of your soldiers have said they will not kill their own people!

 

[Nuked]

Perhaps times have changed, but I read the report from when MPT was investigated and fined. It didn't seem that they were concerned at all about tunes because they were not fined for tunes and are still selling them today. Their fines were all a result of devices that facilitated the removal of cats.

they typically use number of tunes to assess number of violations.

 

[Nuked]

The one part I would be worried about right now is the email tracking system and the tunes that were sent. I definitely have a tune with my O2's turned off from about two and a half years ago... Of course they stopped doing it but that's how I've gotten by the emissions piece of the inspection for the last few years. If they get a hold of that and sift through the data, it's not going to be pretty.

I highly doubt any end user is ever contacted about this, would be a first and honestly waste of time and resources on the feds part.
As for how the tunes are, we heard for multiple years “tunes are preconfigured for headers” what do you think that means? I would almost bet any tune sent by Lund prior to last year was setup in that fashion.
When all the dust settles the tuning world will look a lot different I would imagine.

 

[shogun32]

they typically use number of tunes to assess number of violations.

number of tunes that do expressly illegal things like turn off O2 sensors, reprogram CEL tripwire levels and other things that deliberately interfere with smog stuff yes. Changing the slope of ignition advance or adding fuel here and subtracting it there or changing how/when boost blow-off valve is activates are NOT necessarily smog-defeating or emissions violations. If any delta from factory was a crime FP would itself be in deep trouble.

 

[Nuked]

That’s where it

number of tunes that do expressly illegal things like turn off O2 sensors, reprogram CEL tripwire levels and other things that deliberately interfere with smog stuff yes. Changing the slope of ignition advance or adding fuel here and subtracting it there or changing how/when boost blow-off valve is activates are NOT necessarily smog-defeating or emissions violations. If any delta from factory was a crime FP would itself be in deep trouble.

FP gets EO certification on their tunes, big difference. At any rate see my post above. Lund has been tuning coyotes alone for 8 years, imagine how many tunes they sent that “may” disable an emission component... a lot.

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