Income and taxes question, theoretical.

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Don't tax the middle class, tax the rich. They've been hoarding wealth for decades, and using it to buy off your elected officials. Bezos pays 1.2%, with trillion dollar Amazon actually receiving a fucking refund. Meanwhile his employees work in 3rd-world sweatshop conditions, with many on SNAP. We pay taxes to subsidize their workers AND give them a bonus check.
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Yes, and taxation is theft, that's why I care.
I disagree. I think it's necessary part of a successful society. A taxless society would also be a lawless one.
 

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I disagree. I think it's necessary part of a successful society. A taxless society would also be a lawless one.
Let me clarify, federal taxation is theft. State and local taxes pay for the services you use. Federal taxes are 24% national defense (much of that being wasted...) and 76% bullshit.
 
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Let me clarify, federal taxation is theft. State and local taxes pay for the services you use. Federal taxes are 24% national defense (much of that being wasted...) and 76% bullshit.
I agree a lot with this. However there are some things the Federal government should be funding. Researching thread patterns of ancient textiles not being one. We do need defense, and yes a large portion of that is being wasted, without the greed I think we could have a much more effective military for less cost, and better pay for our troops. We do need the CIA and FBI. We should have a government able to step in when states need help. I do think the government should be funding new energy and technology research, which they do on a small scale. Also, I think federal taxes should support troops, especially those that see active combat, way more than it does now. I think when you get into it, there really IS a lot the federal government should do, but the money is poured into contractors pockets without effective cost for service or product. I've talked with military personnel who told me about washing machines the government bought for 15k each, that did not wash the clothes. Water treatment machines for hundreds of thousands of dollars, and troops got sick, they would shut them down and order a new one. Military vehicles and modular structures just left when they would send troops home. The spending at home is just as insane. Instead of allowing contractors to give campaign contributions and get rewarded with huge contracts, they should not be able to.

As to your other point, I live in Illinois, and it seems like we are trying to create the worst state budget in history.
 

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I agree a lot with this. However there are some things the Federal government should be funding. Researching thread patterns of ancient textiles not being one. We do need defense, and yes a large portion of that is being wasted, without the greed I think we could have a much more effective military for less cost, and better pay for our troops. We do need the CIA and FBI. We should have a government able to step in when states need help. I do think the government should be funding new energy and technology research, which they do on a small scale. Also, I think federal taxes should support troops, especially those that see active combat, way more than it does now. I think when you get into it, there really IS a lot the federal government should do, but the money is poured into contractors pockets without effective cost for service or product. I've talked with military personnel who told me about washing machines the government bought for 15k each, that did not wash the clothes. Water treatment machines for hundreds of thousands of dollars, and troops got sick, they would shut them down and order a new one. Military vehicles and modular structures just left when they would send troops home. The spending at home is just as insane. Instead of allowing contractors to give campaign contributions and get rewarded with huge contracts, they should not be able to.

As to your other point, I live in Illinois, and it seems like we are trying to create the worst state budget in history.
Yeah, it's all this waste and payola. The problem is we made corporations people, and handed the country to lobbyists. Not saying it doesn't happen at the state and local level, but they are bush league by comparison. I wouldn't take your deal because I don't want that much more money going to criminals and crooks. If it actually went to pay for meaningful services and decent pay for active military, then sure.
 
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I would only want to go that route if it meant eliminating campaign donations over 100 dollars. Then do publicly funded campaigns.
 

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If the extra taxes started paying off our national debt than I could consider it, but everyone needs to do their part and pay in... Sooner or later this (the U.S.) will go into another recession or depression.

And an itemized list of everything the government uses my tax dollars for would be nice. I have to tell them all of mine every year at tax time....
 

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If the extra taxes started paying off our national debt than I could consider it, but everyone needs to do their part and pay in... Sooner or later this (the U.S.) will go into another recession or depression.

And an itemized list of everything the government uses my tax dollars for would be nice. I have to tell them all of mine every year at tax time....
Or a menu. I'd love to direct my dollars to programs I think are worthwhile. Better than voting to motivate the politicians.
 

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Or a menu. I'd love to direct my dollars to programs I think are worthwhile. Better than voting to motivate the politicians.
Exactly sell it to me why may tax dollars should be put there....
 
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To that end, they need to stop with the GD earmarks and special projects inserted into bills. Need something funded? Make it it's own bill. If it can't stand on it's own, it doesn't get funded.
 

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Why not discuss reality? JB says taxes only going up if make more than 400k. That number has a surprising way of always getting lower to tax the middle class. We'll see.

JB is president so cap gains tax is going up. He campaigned on it. You will feel that if you are in the stockmarket.

States are strapped for cash so many like Cali put new laws on books like prop 19 to stiffle (AKA tax) your transfer of wealth you already paid taxes on to your kids! Great! Taxed twice! Property rights are being attacked example eviction moratoriums.

There will be a new assault on your wealth holdings and your wealth generation to make everyone equal (aka a fair chance). I call it socialism.
 

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