Has anyone tried this???

[ronv95]

Blindly shutting off codes is ill-advised and can be potentially dangerous as well. There are several vacuum issues that can develop over time if you are not attentive to what codes are generated. If you notice there was no blanket statement made by us in response to your post. We know that most cars will either produce no codes or only produce a easily handled error code.

Fact of the matter is that not every car is the same. If they were then all of the 2.3L S550's would smoke stock. There are several stock smoking cars, but not even close to the majority. This goes to show that there would also not be a universal fix nor "patch" to a perceived universal fix.

The OP is asking about keeping his intake valves clean not a smoking issue.

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[UPRjoe]

So you are saying don't use a catch can?

You should look into catch cans to protect your engine as these setups are not designed to have oil sucked from the crankcase and pulled into the combustion chambers.

Questions and Answers

Q. What does oil do to gasoline?
A. It will lower-degrade the effective octane.

Q. What will lower-degraded octane do to your engine
A. It will fire early - pinging - knocking causing much higher
pressures than the components are designed to handle.

Q. How will oil in the cylinder effect my vehicles performance.
A. The oil will cause knock when it fires early and trip the knock
sensor resulting in a significant loss of power

Q. Will a catch can help keep engine clean.
A. Yes it will almost eliminate any carbon buildup or oil from
entering the intake tract.

This is just the short of it and most importantly you won't have to clean the intake tract
and valves along with the combustion chambers as they will stay like new as long as you
are protecting the engine with a fully functional catch can system on the clean side and
the dirty side of the PCV system.

The PCV system should be protected without question as you can ask many tuners how much more timing a vehicle will safely handle. Also, the power and reliability are increased across the board when you eliminate oil through the PCV system.

Ask Adam about the differences.

Joe

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

This is certainly the first I have seen of this. Interesting... Basically you are saying if its not broken don't fix it? A catch can was something I was considering as a preventative thing.

Basically. You will not have any conclusive evidence that there is a consumption or blow-by issue until your piston rings are completely set. Because of their metallurgic make-up that process takes far longer when compared to most other platforms.

If you do notice consumption or blow-by after logging actual seat time in your car then investigate the possible cause(s). A catch can may be the solution! We are not calling them a placebo or non-value added. They without a doubt can remedy if there is an issue.

 

[ronv95]

You should look into catch cans to protect your engine as these setups are not designed to have oil sucked from the crankcase and pulled into the combustion chambers.

Questions and Answers

Q. What does oil do to gasoline?
A. It will lower-degrade the effective octane.

Q. What will lower-degraded octane do to your engine
A. It will fire early - pinging - knocking causing much higher
pressures than the components are designed to handle.

Q. How will oil in the cylinder effect my vehicles performance.
A. The oil will cause knock when it fires early and trip the knock
sensor resulting in a significant loss of power

Q. Will a catch can help keep engine clean.
A. Yes it will almost eliminate any carbon buildup or oil from
entering the intake tract.

This is just the short of it and most importantly you won't have to clean the intake tract
and valves along with the combustion chambers as they will stay like new as long as you
are protecting the engine with a fully functional catch can system on the clean side and
the dirty side of the PCV system.

The PCV system should be protected without question as you can ask many tuners how much more timing a vehicle will safely handle. Also, the power and reliability are increased across the board when you eliminate oil through the PCV system.

Ask Adam about the differences.

Joe

Yeah I wasn't doubting using one as I have had one on for last 20,000 miles...I was just questioning LM's statement.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

The OP is asking about keeping his intake valves clean not a smoking issue.

I am totally aware. I offered sound advice to ward off build-up earlier. "Honestly, the common sense things like using the best fueling solution that is available to you, not trying to make your car a flex fuel vehicle, driving it spiritedly occasionally and checking/changing your fluids regularly are all going to help you mitigate excess build-up. "

That comment was specifically directed at another "issue" that is often highlighted as the need for a CC. Trying to cover all of the bases in one thread.

 

[higdominator]

What about these wife's tales?

A) oil contaminants dilute octane

B) reduced crankcase pressure improves efficiency

C) reduced crankcase pressure increases the ability of the boost to seal the rings against the cylinder wall. (basic pressure differential)

D) oil contaminants are bad when they accumulate in the intercooler- reduced efficiency of thermal energy transfer.



A proper evacuation system consisting of a catch can, like the UPR DV that maintains a constant vacuum) and modified PCV valve seems to account for 3/4 of these while a clean side can takes care of the intercooler.

Even after the rings seat I see no downside to a proper PCV setup on a boosted car. I only see: no oil in my intake, no oil in my intercooler, and a catch can full of said oil/water vapor.


Just sayin

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Sarcasm, gotta love it....

If you actually take the time to read all of what we've posted you would see that nobody said never install a CC. I actually said that they are/can be a great mod to fix excessive carbon build-up, blow-by and/or oil consumption.

If you are only posting for argumentative purposes, you should be keenly aware that we have ZERO skin in the game. Nothing to gain either way. It seems that we get plenty of grief being the only vendor that actually attempts to aid the WHOLE community. We do not care if someone chooses to shop with us or not, we answer questions, offer advice and educated guidance. We do not even make any PCV components. We only want everyone to be fully edified. There should be a complete discussion, not just add this mod because we all have.

There are a handful of cars that have come here with the DV CC installed and INCREASED crankcase pressure DTC's. So you assuming that we are speaking negatively just because are wrong.

Facts are that there are several FREE things that can be done to mitigate the likelihood of any carbon build-up issues, contamination issues or any other performance or efficiency robbing issues from ever coming to light. For example, using the best fueling solution that is available to you, not trying to make your car a flex fuel vehicle, driving it spiritedly occasionally and checking/changing your fluids regularly...jumping directly to a tuner and meth kit install is a far more rational solution, please forgive me.

 

[higdominator]

You said if there is not a consumption issue, then leave it alone.

I'm saying it's worthwhile regardless of how much oil you burn, for the above reasons.

I'm willing to bet those cars in your shop with increased pressure DTC's had an install issue.

The cans don't create pressure....unless you install a check valve backwards or connect the lines to the wrong places.


Fuel, driving hard, and keeping the fluids topped off do little to keep oil in the pan and pressure out of the crankcase.




That's all I have to say. /story

 

[ElAviator72]

The OP is asking about keeping his intake valves clean not a smoking issue.

Well, I was really asking if any forum members had tried a particular product in their engine and not destroyed their turbo :lol:

I suppose, though, long term, it would we good to know the best way to keep the intake valves clean ;)

 

[ElAviator72]

P.S. There seems to be two schools of thought on how the turbo actually gets destroyed by cleaning products.

School #1: cleaning product causes exhaust to become hotter than normal, thus destroying the turbo through heat

School #2: cleaning product dislodges large pieces of carbon, which somehow survive going through the combustion chamber of a running engine, and pits/shreds the impeller blades of the turbo.

Seems to me that any carbon buildups dislodged by an engine cleaning product would be much softer than the impeller blades in the turbo, although they are also running at extreme heat (which does soften the metal somewhat...). Still, isn't the turbo impeller made from aerospace grade alloys, like what the disks in a jet engine are made from?!?!? Lots of nickel, titanium, etc. (basically, high temperature metals!).

 

[higdominator]

P.S. There seems to be two schools of thought on how the turbo actually gets destroyed by cleaning products.

School #1: cleaning product causes exhaust to become hotter than normal, thus destroying the turbo through heat

School #2: cleaning product dislodges large pieces of carbon, which somehow survive going through the combustion chamber of a running engine, and pits/shreds the impeller blades of the turbo.

Seems to me that any carbon buildups dislodged by an engine cleaning product would be much softer than the impeller blades in the turbo, although they are also running at extreme heat (which does soften the metal somewhat...). Still, isn't the turbo impeller made from aerospace grade alloys, like what the disks in a jet engine are made from?!?!? Lots of nickel, titanium, etc. (basically, high temperature metals!).

High heat and a massive amount of additional solvents. Solvents can move through tighter spaces, like bearing journals and do what they do best- remove oil from surfaces.

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