GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

Rum Bum is 10 points out of 1st with 2 races left. They may win the whole thing...

The GT350's shouldn't have been permitted to run a 1/2 season anyway. Never in the history of racing has a team changed MY's mid-season.

CTSC is under piss poor management, it won't last much longer.

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[BaylorCorvette]

Yup, RumBum has a legitimate shot at it, they've found speed lately.

 

[thePill]

I have a few new gripes with CTSC and amazingly, it has nothing to do with the Camaro.

It's all GT350 now...

First, why the hell did IMSA fight Ford initially at Daytona only to give in 3 races later? I would traditionally point to a reserved Stevenson championship but now I'm just chalking it up to dumb-fuckery... The 350 tested at Daytona I heard, it was ready.

Second, why is the vehicle permitted in GS anyway? It's well into GT class...

Third, what the hell is wrong with Multimatic? It's a development season fella's!!! Chill the f@ck out!!! Since you changed vehicles mid-season, in my opinion, you should be championship exempt until next year. In my opinion, you should be exempt from a championship in a development year PERIOD. The cars should be ran and tested on the track, throughout the entire season AND, the production car homologed from that. Year 1 should literally be a Test and Tune season where you are Exempt from winning any championship whatsoever. Vehicles would run unrestricted and ONLY be restricted based on developement season data.

I understand the GT350 was a z28 answer and the Camaro kinda started all of this but, the fault is IMSA's. Now the "GT" GS cars are either hit or miss, either some kind of failure due to restrictions or just straight up handing the class their ass...




That is all...

 

[BaylorCorvette]

Third, what the hell is wrong with Multimatic? It's a development season fella's!!! Chill the f@ck out!!! Since you changed vehicles mid-season, in my opinion, you should be championship exempt until next year. In my opinion, you should be exempt from a championship in a development year PERIOD. The cars should be ran and tested on the track, throughout the entire season AND, the production car homologed from that. Year 1 should literally be a Test and Tune season where you are Exempt from winning any championship whatsoever. Vehicles would run unrestricted and ONLY be restricted based on developement season data.

I understand the GT350 was a z28 answer and the Camaro kinda started all of this but, the fault is IMSA's. Now the "GT" GS cars are either hit or miss, either some kind of failure due to restrictions or just straight up handing the class their ass...




That is all...

Completely agree with this, it makes sense. It allows the team to run full out while allowing IMSA to make an end of the year adjustment, rather than overreacting and over penalizing and then having to lift restrictions later on.

 

[Dropspeed]

Bet my '79 Stang is faster than your car!:ford: I've been 8.99 in the quarter......How about you?

Let's recap: You call the Z/28 a dud, I poke at your 79 pinto, I mean "stang" you get sore and whip out your E/T to impress a bunch I guys talking about road racing. So at this point I will take you bet that on a road course your car is not faster than mine.....I will even lock in a $1000 on that. But your right, in a straight line you have me as I barely clear the 1/8 in 8 seconds.

I appreciate that you're on here with input from the Camaro side and track experience. The 1LE and the z28 are the cars I would get over my 5.0. Especially after they did the refresh in 2014.

Btw, are you going to get a GT350?

Thanks. I would LOVE to get a GT350TP.......but I don't want to spend that type of cash when I have something worth 1/2 as much that can provide as much enjoyment, but won't sting as much if I ball it up on track. I road in a GT350TP mule a few months ago on the street and the sound is intoxicating. Mark my works it is every bit a high 11 car in the 1/4 with a good driver. Seats are amazing, interior is nice and it looks killer in Red.

 

[w3rkn]

If you can't afford a 350, how are you going to afford a 1LE ..?


Secondly, why bother with a car that is absolutely dangerous to drive, due to the lack of visibility. Coming from a BMW, I had to get out of that test drive as fast as possible because I felt claustrophobic and like I was driving a late model funny car.

 

[BaylorCorvette]

If you can't afford a 350, how are you going to afford a 1LE ..?


Secondly, why bother with a car that is absolutely dangerous to drive, due to the lack of visibility. Coming from a BMW, I had to get out of that test drive as fast as possible because I felt claustrophobic and like I was driving a late model funny car.

You realize a 1LE is cheaper than a GT350, right?

And absolutely dangerous to drive? Hilarious statement.

 

[w3rkn]

You realize a 1LE is cheaper than a GT350, right?

And absolutely dangerous to drive? Hilarious statement.

Yes I do, did you notice the starting price on a GT350?


And yes, the Camaros have visibility problems. This isn't news it is mentioned by nearly any new comer getting into it for the first time. I was not the only person among my friends who mentioned and where bothered by it, when my friend brought home his new Camaro.

Even Chevy engineers mention they were aware of it, but thought it was "not that big of a deal" and kept it for the new Camaro.

 

[Sabre]

I have a few new gripes with CTSC and amazingly, it has nothing to do with the Camaro.

It's all GT350 now...

First, why the hell did IMSA fight Ford initially at Daytona only to give in 3 races later? I would traditionally point to a reserved Stevenson championship but now I'm just chalking it up to dumb-fuckery... The 350 tested at Daytona I heard, it was ready.

Second, why is the vehicle permitted in GS anyway? It's well into GT class...

Third, what the hell is wrong with Multimatic? It's a development season fella's!!! Chill the f@ck out!!! Since you changed vehicles mid-season, in my opinion, you should be championship exempt until next year. In my opinion, you should be exempt from a championship in a development year PERIOD. The cars should be ran and tested on the track, throughout the entire season AND, the production car homologed from that. Year 1 should literally be a Test and Tune season where you are Exempt from winning any championship whatsoever. Vehicles would run unrestricted and ONLY be restricted based on developement season data.

I understand the GT350 was a z28 answer and the Camaro kinda started all of this but, the fault is IMSA's. Now the "GT" GS cars are either hit or miss, either some kind of failure due to restrictions or just straight up handing the class their ass...




That is all...

As I told you about 100 or so pages ago....if you have a gripe, it should not be with the Camaro or the Mustang...it should be with IMSA/CTSCC. They are the ones allowing everything you don't like about the situation, to happen. Seems like maybe...just maybe...you're beginning to see the picture in perspective.

You were screaming for Multimatic to get the car out on the track in early season...to do development on track. Now that they are on track, you're telling them to chill out. If you want the car developed on track during races for a whole year before it goes into competition, then Multimatic is not the way to do it.

Ford should field their own factory team to put the car into race competition and conditions for development purposes...with their own drivers.

It is not only unfair, but unreasonable to ask a racing team....that participates in racing to win...to spend a year in development without going for points or a championship. Drivers like Billy, Scott, Jade and Austin are there to drive, win, hone their craft, win championships and further their racing careers. Good luck getting top drivers to come on board a program where you tell them that, "hey...we're just developing the car this whole year...no points, no championship. So, go out and drive...give us all your feedback...but there's really nothing in it for you as far as your career. We'd like you to sacrifice a year of your career for us."

It could have been done like that....but it isn't. Ford is using Multimatic to race the car at the same time that development "bugs" are being worked out. Multimatic and their drivers are racers...and they race to win. So, expect to see the GT350R-C in competition the rest of the year and being driven for wins.

If this still upsets you, you can ignore the series altogether or write a letter to Ford or write a letter to IMSA/CTSCC or any combination of those.

My suggestion as your best solution would be to ignore the series entirely and let go of the griping.

 

[thePill]

As I told you about 100 or so pages ago....if you have a gripe, it should not be with the Camaro or the Mustang...it should be with IMSA/CTSCC. They are the ones allowing everything you don't like about the situation, to happen. Seems like maybe...just maybe...you're beginning to see the picture in perspective.

You were screaming for Multimatic to get the car out on the track in early season...to do development on track. Now that they are on track, you're telling them to chill out. If you want the car developed on track during races for a whole year before it goes into competition, then Multimatic is not the way to do it.

Ford should field their own factory team to put the car into race competition and conditions for development purposes...with their own drivers.

It is not only unfair, but unreasonable to ask a racing team....that participates in racing to win...to spend a year in development without going for points or a championship. Drivers like Billy, Scott, Jade and Austin are there to drive, win, hone their craft, win championships and further their racing careers. Good luck getting top drivers to come on board a program where you tell them that, "hey...we're just developing the car this whole year...no points, no championship. So, go out and drive...give us all your feedback...but there's really nothing in it for you as far as your career. We'd like you to sacrifice a year of your career for us."

It could have been done like that....but it isn't. Ford is using Multimatic to race the car at the same time that development "bugs" are being worked out. Multimatic and their drivers are racers...and they race to win. So, expect to see the GT350R-C in competition the rest of the year and being driven for wins.

If this still upsets you, you can ignore the series altogether or write a letter to Ford or write a letter to IMSA/CTSCC or any combination of those.

My suggestion as your best solution would be to ignore the series entirely and let go of the griping.

Don't try and save the argument now, the z28 was ultimately the straw that broke th pigs back. The z28 in general was frowned upon by other teams and led to the non-partisan race teams this year.

Listen, 2 years ago, when I brought this theoretical situation up, It was important. Just as I warned, it has definitely gotten worse... you can't say the class wasn't nudged off the cliff by rule changes and waivers... especially when they favored the Camaro all along.

I don't need to quit watching, I did in 2012 only to tune in and see the GT350. The class just simply WILL NOT exist much longer...

Period, we tried, moving on...

 

[BaylorCorvette]

Yes I do, did you notice the starting price on a GT350?


And yes, the Camaros have visibility problems. This isn't news it is mentioned by nearly any new comer getting into it for the first time. I was not the only person among my friends who mentioned and where bothered by it, when my friend brought home his new Camaro.

Even Chevy engineers mention they were aware of it, but thought it was "not that big of a deal" and kept it for the new Camaro.

Yeah starting price of a GT350 is $49,995 with GG and starting price of a 1LE is $38,000 so I don't get your statement of "If you cannot afford a 350 how can you afford a 1LE"

The Camaro does have blind spots but so do a lot of sports cars. The 370Z is pretty terrible for example.

 

[Fox5.0]

Yeah starting price of a GT350 is $49,995 with GG and starting price of a 1LE is $38,000 so I don't get your statement of "If you cannot afford a 350 how can you afford a 1LE"

The Camaro does have blind spots but so do a lot of sports cars. The 370Z is pretty terrible for example.

Camaros visibility is horrible. You can't argue that, it's the worse I've sat in.

Then again, some people don't care.

 

[Agarc]

when i had the camaro it didnt bug me to much just anytime i parked in angled parking backing out was bad

 

[Shawnski]

Ford should field their own factory team to put the car into race competition and conditions for development purposes...with their own drivers.

Ford has virtually always used 3rd party teams. Ford Racing developed the GT350R-C, however whether it was Roush, Holman and Moody, Penske, Shelby American, Newman-Haas, or Zakspeed they all took what Ford provided and developed it into racing success.

A contract is a good thing since it puts the screws to the "signor" to perform! As you stated Multimatic is in it to win it.

IMSA is BS though. Why not go the old SCCA A, B C, D, etc class? A; P 911s and Vette's, B: Pony and M cars, C: 370's. keep them at the level they are from the factory. 370s beating up on Z28's and GT350s (on the straights no less) is f'ing perverted!

 

[Shawnski]

Camaros visibility is horrible. You can't argue that, it's the worse I've sat in.

Then again, some people don't care.

The S550 is also a big car. It has a looong hood, like a "personal coupe" from the seventies whereas Fox body sight lines are more akin to a BMW E30 by comparison!

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