GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

I am hoping they never release video or times for Nurburgring.

Yes, the 7:32 was leaked before, HP Kings got a bad name for it. They too acquired times from the show.

There is also a 7:29 rumor but some suggested that run was with Non-OEM equipment.

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[thePill]

Pill,
I m not talking about race weight my friend, a brand new car with a spec from the manufacturer! I really don't care if you leave a quarter tank or half a tank fuel in the tank! The accurate measurement is always with a full tank if thats the case hey everyone i have a s550 which weights 3600 lbs so its lighter than even the s197! :doh:

If your not talking about race weight, you need to exit the discussion.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/c...=10152883427096312&adbpl=fb&adbpr=18332466311

 

[thePill]

http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/c...=10152883427096312&adbpl=fb&adbpr=18332466311

:lol:

Another Chevy retest?

Work in progress...


Love the opening!

For as much as Randy Pobst typically has to say about a car, he doesn't use walkie-talkies very often. We always stick one in the car before he goes out in case of emergency, but he rarely uses it. So you can imagine our surprise when, during his cool-down lap, Pobst's voice suddenly came crackling over the radio, gushing about the Z/28.

"Oh my God, you fixed it!" came the voice. "This is so much better. It's back. This is how it should perform. We were so right to name this car Best Driver's Car."

You can also imagine Pobst's surprise when we told him how little we'd changed. A new set of tires (he'd burned off the previous set during the last test), a double-check of the alignment, and oh yeah, that little wickerbill now bolted to the spoiler.

So, the z28 you got ran like shit and you named it "Best Drivers Car of the Year"?

Nice...

"We were right to name this car the Best Drivers Car"

Good guess asshats!!!

 

[Brent302]

:lol:

Another Chevy retest?

Work in progress...


Love the opening!
So, the z28 you got ran like shit and you named it "Best Drivers Car of the Year"?

Nice...

"We were right to name this car the Best Drivers Car"

Good guess asshats!!!

I love how they drool over anything camaro but they kind of just downplayed the Stingray...

I don't like camaros since they are just hand me down corvettes that are fat. Lol

 

[mustangletback]

:lol:

Another Chevy retest?

Work in progress...


Love the opening!
So, the z28 you got ran like shit and you named it "Best Drivers Car of the Year"?

Nice...

"We were right to name this car the Best Drivers Car"

Good guess asshats!!!

all of those so called great lap times at first,were RINGER cars like most people thought.now another re-test,like the EPIC FALURE the z06.chevy sucks.:lol::lol:

 

[CarFan]

:lol:

Another Chevy retest?

Work in progress...


Love the opening!
So, the z28 you got ran like shit and you named it "Best Drivers Car of the Year"?

Nice...

"We were right to name this car the Best Drivers Car"

Good guess asshats!!!

Reading comprehension fails you once again. Maybe that's on purpose of course since you are talking about GM.

Car ran great and won Driver's car. The part about it not feeling like the z28 they have tested before stems from the time they ran its against the Porsche.

 

[thePill]

Reading comprehension fails you once again. Maybe that's on purpose of course since you are talking about GM.

Car ran great and won Driver's car. The part about it not feeling like the z28 they have tested before stems from the time they ran its against the Porsche.

Ran against the Porsche? And lost?

I could see where a 3rd test would be needed to validate an $80,000 Camaro.

I don't care what they are trying to push here, the 911 is a tall order. The z28 doesn't have the power to weight, curb or geometry to handle that car.

They want us to subconsciously add that improvement to the previous results.

Didn't occur to them that a mere second on some tracks can be time of day or different conditions.

Yet they will write an article about a plastic bill and the seconds it shaved off their time. You are ready to believe that but gracefully accept that a cage does nothing. Coming from a car that kept the rear seats in for "rigidity", I think you guys are picking and choosing.


It amuses me that every time the z28 goes head to head and loses, they find a way for it to win. Tire pressure, retest, splitters and spoilers... I have never seen such attention to a vehicle from a magazine. Motor Trend and Chevy seem to be doing all they can (Z06 and z28) to repair their Performance image.

 

[CarFan]

Ran against the Porsche? And lost?

I could see where a 3rd test would be needed to validate an $80,000 Camaro.

I don't care what they are trying to push here, the 911 is a tall order. The z28 doesn't have the power to weight, curb or geometry to handle that car.

They want us to subconsciously add that improvement to the previous results.

Didn't occur to them that a mere second on some tracks can be time of day or different conditions.

Yet they will write an article about a plastic bill and the seconds it shaved off their time. You are ready to believe that but gracefully accept that a cage does nothing. Coming from a car that kept the rear seats in for "rigidity", I think you guys are picking and choosing.

Again, comprehension fail on your part. Read more, talk less. Don't lump people together and make up shit left and right. I don't lump the rest of the people on here with you because a large part are normal and you can't have an actual discussion without lying and twisting articles.

The tires on the car are new now and were worn when tested against the Porsche. That in my mind is the biggest difference in the time, but I can see the plastic adding feel to the car. The Z28 that was tested during Driver's car thing had new tires and that plastic shit, so it looks to have been another car.

 

[thePill]

Awwww, they used worn tires in a head to head...

Get the f@ck outta here!!!

 

[CarFan]

Awwww, they used worn tires in a head to head...

Get the f@ck outta here!!!

May have been in a other article or comparison, but I did read it. Regardless, my point is that you're all conspiracy theory against GM and Motor Trend.. Except when they rate the Ford products higher.

Anyway, I'd never buy the Z28. It puts up great lap times especially for what it's built on, but If I were spending that coin though, I'd be sitting in a Vette. There's no special appeal to me with the z28 to spend that money.

 

[thePill]

Incorrect tire pressure...

Worn tires in a Head to Head...

Adding aero...

The Z06 had to be realigned...

Then there was a Heat-Soak issue...


This is literally only two specific models within the last 1/2 dozen test in one magazine.

I hope you would at least consider the possibility that:

a.) Motor Trend and GM are in bed together.

b.) Chevy just sucks...



Don't get me started on the Impalipoo.

 

[kz]

I really liked Z/28 but another retest with bolted on piece that looks like somebody did in their garage is pretty comical...

 

[Erik427]

Awwww, they used worn tires in a head to head...

Get the f@ck outta here!!!

:cheers:

 

[Stuntman]

May have been in a other article or comparison, but I did read it. Regardless, my point is that you're all conspiracy theory against GM and Motor Trend.. Except when they rate the Ford products higher.

Anyway, I'd never buy the Z28. It puts up great lap times especially for what it's built on, but If I were spending that coin though, I'd be sitting in a Vette. There's no special appeal to me with the z28 to spend that money.

+1 -you get it.

-2014 BDC (Laguna Seca) had a red Z28 with the gurney flap.
-H2H vs the GT3 at Willow Springs, the red Z28 is their "Long Term Test Car" did not have gurney flap.
-This 2015 retest is the same "Long Term Test Car" and they started on the same set of tires that were on the car in the H2H, and i'm sure a lot of street driving and heat cycles before and after the H2H:

" Our long-term Z/28, which has been in our possession since well before it squared off against the Porsche 911 GT3"
(sounds like the tires were used a lot on the street before the H2H, which would affect their peak performance)

"A new set of tires (he'd burned off the previous set during the last test), a double-check of the alignment, and oh yeah, that little wickerbill now bolted to the spoiler. "


I can easily see how a new set of tires (and i'm sure the gurney to a much smaller degree) resulted in a 1.32 second improvement. Depending on the track conditions of the H2H and this retest, it could have been even more, or possibly less. It's easy to understand the difference in feel and performance between a old shot set of tires and brand new ones if you do track days often.

The balance of the car shifted from loose to understeer with a new set of tires, which also makes complete sense, and i'm sure the additional gurney helped tighten it up a little more as well to make it feel again like the car he tested at Laguna, which had the gurney.

There's nothing surprising or out of the ordinary here. thePill's GM hatred and conspiracy theories tend to blind him of reality.


*I do find it a bit misleading and lazy that MT had this 'retest' again at Willow Springs, yet used photos from the 2014 BDC from Laguna Seca and surrounding Monterey area.


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