GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

There is NO delusion, the 2015 GT and 2011 GT were only 30lbs apart.

That makes me pretty happy. It is a far smaller gap than the 3620lbs vs. 3705lbs most like to use as their as their weight gain basis. I can live with 30lbs.

There are lighter 2015's out there, one guy on the state-line said he had one below 3560lbs but we cannot varify anything from them.

Vorshlag weighed another 2012 and it was 3605lbs. I am not worried one bit.

If a Base GT was in the 3650-3700lbs range, it would start to bother me.

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[02gtnh]

There is NO delusion, the 2015 GT and 2011 GT were only 30lbs apart.

That makes me pretty happy. It is a far smaller gap than the 3620lbs vs. 3705lbs most like to use as their as their weight gain basis. I can live with 30lbs.

There are lighter 2015's out there, one guy on the state-line said he had one below 3560lbs but we cannot varify anything from them.

Show facts and I will believe. You keep saying you saw but no proof. We all have seen proof that it's near 100lbs.

 

[DivineStrike]

There is NO delusion, the 2015 GT and 2011 GT were only 30lbs apart.

That makes me pretty happy. It is a far smaller gap than the 3620lbs vs. 3705lbs most like to use as their as their weight gain basis. I can live with 30lbs.

There are lighter 2015's out there, one guy on the state-line said he had one below 3560lbs but we cannot varify anything from them.

Vorshlag weighed another 2012 and it was 3605lbs. I am not worried one bit.

If a Base GT was in the 3650-3700lbs range, it would start to bother me.

Vorshlag weighed the 3605 car with half a tank of gas.

The base GT does weigh 3700 lbs.

read my edited post above.

 

[thePill]

Show facts and I will believe. You keep saying you saw but no proof. We all have seen proof that it's near 100lbs.

What? The 2011 and 2015 weights are on the Vorshlag page Divine posted above. Vorshlag didn't have permission to discuss the customers weight (neither do we), the actual customer had to come on here and discuss it himself.

Terry said something but removed his comment. He knows butthurts would be along to disput the scales.

This is only his first Base GT he weighed... Wait until you see the spread.

Edit: Of course, like all my other "Blind Statements", once the facts are out, you will never be heard from again.

We only know what Terry says about his cars AND, he says there is only a 30lbs difference between the 2011 and 2015. I am SOLD...

 

[DivineStrike]

This is vorshlags GT Premium with brembo package and electronics package that weighed 3563lbs with no fuel and no trunk junk. I

 

[DivineStrike]

What? The 2011 and 2015 weights are on the Vorshlag page Divine posted above. Vorshlag didn't have permission to discuss the customers weight (neither do we), the actual customer had to come on here and discuss it himself.

Terry said something but removed his comment. He knows butthurts would be along to disput the scales.

This is only his first Base GT he weighed... Wait until you see the spread.

Edit: Of course, like all my other "Blind Statements", once the facts are out, you will never be heard from again.

We only know what Terry says about his cars AND, he says there is only a 30lbs difference between the 2011 and 2015. I am SOLD...

Your statements were blind and still are. there is a 30lb difference between a 2011 Premium GT with Brembo package and electronics package than a COMPLETELY BONE STOCK 2015 Base GT.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Appearently, these S550's have a 48/52 balance with a cage and very little fuel. That is good news.

Regardless of where all this bickering over weight ends up, I'm more interested in knowing how adding a cage gets you from 55/45 to 48/52. That's huge, arguably bigger than any 200 lb advantage over the Z/28 and more difficult to achieve. What else is going on that I'm not hearing about? If anything, "very little fuel" is an indication of greater front weight %.

Norm

 

[DivineStrike]

Norm, I agree. The weight distributions seems nothing close to the 53/47 Ford claimed.

 

[thePill]

Your statements were blind and still are. there is a 30lb difference between a 2011 Premium GT with Brembo package and electronics package than a COMPLETELY BONE STOCK 2015 Base GT.

...and I am happy with that since the Brembo/Performance Pack Premium GT's are what Ford and every media source used as a curb weight.

The assumed difference was 3620lbs (2014 Premium GT w/ Performance Pack as tested and the official 3705lbs. I know that is only 75lbs and it's starting to split hairs... but you want to split them.

The actual difference in real life is within 30lbs. Of course we could Compare a 2011 Base GT to a 2015 but, the Performance, safety and Luxury standard has changed dramatically. If we are splitting hairs, 30lbs is a pretty good start.

 

[thePill]

Norm, I agree. The weight distributions seems nothing close to the 53/47 Ford claimed.

Not on empty, nor would a cage get you a rear bias at 55/45. It would be closer to 50/50 w/ 50 to E. It is still pretty decent.

 

[DivineStrike]

now you are just using numbers that benefit your defense. Very sly trick Pill.

Everyone knows 11 Base GT's weighed 3560 or so with a full tank of gas. These cars gained over 100lbs over the s197.

If you want a real comparison, compare premium to premium...or actual base weight to base weight.

Fords curb weight estimate is accurate this time. with the S197 it wasn't.

 

[thePill]

now you are just using numbers that benefit your defense. Very sly trick Pill.

Everyone knows 11 Base GT's weighed 3560 or so with a full tank of gas. These cars gained over 100lbs over the s197.

If you want a real comparison, compare premium to premium...or actual base weight to base weight.

Fords curb weight estimate is accurate this time. with the S197 it wasn't.

Don't you hate when people use numbers in their defense...

I agree, the U.S. Curb Weight Standard wasn't accurate... and that likely hasn't changed... There is a reason why they change but none of that concerns me.

The two cars are devided by a mere 30lbs. That is why Terry got excited, that is why he posted and then removed his post. His findings were in line with ours... This is why I was excited months ago when people were still scratching their heads at the 3705lbs. Did you know C&D once tested a Brembo GT at 3672lbs? They were not the lightest cars... Ford only advertised the best case scenario.

Now, they are held to a different, some argue a more strict means of advertised Curb Weight.

None of my concern... I hope that at least this explains our delight months ago. I was talking about things that would make sense 6 months later.

Do you remember my wild 2013 GT500 Nurburgring claims? That wasn't understood for over two years...

I am not new to this...

The Base 2015 has more standard equipment than a 2011 Premium. Why would we add more content?

I don't care about content weight...

Even Terry was delighted with his 3718lbs. Imagine what he felt seeing a 3593lbs GT....

That is real life oppose to magazine articles...


...that is also a 125lbs difference...

Wait until Terry finds out there is around 90lbs of airbag equipment to delete opposed to about 30 on his 2011.

He (as did we) will sh!t bricks!!!

 

[DivineStrike]

no, I hate when people use "incorrect" or dishonest numbers that suit their cause. Ford is no longer using Premium weight as their curb weight. This entire discussion has been about you claiming 15 Base Gt's were well below 3700lbs from the factory with a full tank of gas and no weight reduction. When in fact, they weigh what ford has said they will weigh. We have known since June or July now that fords claimed weight increase was only 70lbs...you argued it tooth and nail. In truth the weight gain is more.

 

[DivineStrike]

Don't you hate when people use numbers in their defense...

I agree, the U.S. Curb Weight Standard wasn't accurate... and that likely hasn't changed... There is a reason why they change but none of that concerns me.

The two cars are devided by a mere 30lbs. That is why Terry got excited, that is why he posted and then removed his post. His findings were in line with ours... This is why I was excited months ago when people were still scratching their heads at the 3705lbs. Did you know C&D once tested a Brembo Premium GT at 3672lbs? They were not the lightest cars... Ford only advertised the best case scenario.

Now, they are held to a different, some argue a more strict means of advertised Curb Weight.

None of my concern... I hope that at least this explains our delight months ago. I was talking about things that would make sense 6 months later.

Do you remember my wild 2013 GT500 Nurburgring claims? That wasn't understood for over two years...

I am not new to this...

The Base 2015 has more standard equipment than a 2011 Premium. Why would we add more content?

I don't care about content weight...

Even Terry was delighted with his 3718lbs. Imagine what he felt seeing a 3593lbs GT....

That is real life oppose to magazine articles...

Corrected for accuracy

and as for our discussion back then, you were wrong then and you are wrong now.

3718 is Full fuel weight with options. 3593 is no fuel no options no trunk junk. which translates to 3705 ish full fuel weight no weight reduction.

Vorshlags 11 gt for example is 3670ish as it is a premium with Brembo's.

If you want to compare weights...I repeat. Compare base to base or premium to premium. Hell if you want to compare a Base 11GT with only the Brembo package to the base GT. As they have the same brakes.

There is no secret formula for calculating curb weight. This year they are using the Base GT with no options full of gas.

S197's it appears they used the premium model. If they did that this time, they would have to claim the car weighed 3800lbs.

Facts:

2011 Base GT no options Full fuel weight: 3560lbs
2015 Base GT no options full fuel weight: 3705lbs ish

2011 Premium GT, Brembo's EP full fuel weight: 3670ish
2015 Premium GT, PP and other goodies Full fuel weight: 3810lbs (my car btw)


Oh look it's just about an equal spread when you compare similarly equipped cars.


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[thePill]

no, I hate when people use "incorrect" or dishonest numbers that suit their cause. Ford is no longer using Premium weight as their curb weight. This entire discussion has been about you claiming 15 Base Gt's were well below 3700lbs from the factory with a full tank of gas and no weight reduction. When in fact, they weigh what ford has said they will weigh. We have known since June or July now that fords claimed weight increase was only 70lbs...you argued it tooth and nail. In truth the weight gain is more.

Dude, the Premium this year has a 9/12 speaker system, 6 way, heated/cooled Electric seats... and a lot of other things a 2011 Premium didn't have. The Base GT already comes with that equipment STOCK.

I DO NOT care about a larger stereo system and those fancy seats...

I'm not using dishonest numbers, Im just not adding in additional content to support your arguement.

There was only 30lbs between a 2011 and 2015 and the '15 is far more equipped. I know that your point exist, Im just not realistically concerned about sub woofers and amplifiers... Heated and cooled seats...

Also, the '15's Base equipment is better than a 2011 Brembo Package. I am happy with the results.

Now, if we stripped a 2015 down to a Base '11's equipment level, they are about the same.

This is why Terry was excited, the advantages of the '15 are ever present.

He also has a good idea of how much his GT has that the Base doesn't. That is around 125lbs and puts him right on top of his 2011 GT.

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