GT350 vs. Z/28

[Cmycobrafly]

No, the Performance Package is very, very heavy this year. That Mustang had every stand alone option, it was a Premium (12 Speaker) and it was a Performance Package.

The Performance Package is around 90lbs. The Premium is 45-60lbs (9 and 12 Speaker) and the option list weight is unknown. The Recaro's only save about 10lbs vs. the Standard Seats but the Premium Leather weighs over 70lbs per seat, the Recaro's weigh about 45lbs (Standard Seats weigh 50lbs).

I am sorry, it just doesn't add up.

A guy on here had a GTPP manual that weighed 3744lbs. If you delete the Performance Package, it will not weigh 3705lbs nor 3700 flat. It would be about 90lbs lighter than what he weighed it at (3744lbs).

There is actually no way to get around that... 90lbs is actually reasonable since the Corvette's Z51 weighs 150lbs. I don't know what you get in the Z51 though (Can someone enlighten me on the Z51?).

You break down the 90 pounds once again u r rounding big time. You said it earlier a guy weighed a a6 it weight right over 3700 pounds I swear it was with 3/4 tank of gas but I will give u benefit! So that makes a base gt weigh 3675 m6 car add recaros you just said 10 pounds off base seats that is 3660! So once again that is a base weight with recoros! So add a track pack at ur 90 pounds and ur up to 3740-3750 so once again it weighs 100 more than a 2014 mustang gt same equipment! I will give u the 3675 -3700 pounds but fords weight is advertised at 3705??? Once again. 25 pounds is not going to be make it or break it but to say a camaro that weights .....3820 how do we know it will scale that much with bare options play both sides stop being a ford can boy dbag!!! Make fun of my spelling make fun of hard to read post I am a busy person don't have my life to spend on here like u comparing 50 pounds tops of weight different!!! So a 3740-3750 pounds with recoros seats track pack base is within 120 pounds of a car that has less HP! And can beat it or keep up with it on a track!!! And u fall that s fail on gms part!!

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[thePill]

Here, settle down and read:

http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-stingray/specs/trims.html

Thank You!!! I can see where the extra weight is...

 

[thePill]

You break down the 90 pounds once again u r rounding big time. You said it earlier a guy weighed a a6 it weight right over 3700 pounds I swear it was with 3/4 tank of gas but I will give u benefit! So that makes a base gt weigh 3675 m6 car add recaros you just said 10 pounds off base seats that is 3660! So once again that is a base weight with recoros! So add a track pack at ur 90 pounds and ur up to 3740-3750 so once again it weighs 100 more than a 2014 mustang gt same equipment! I will give u the 3675 -3700 pounds but fords weight is advertised at 3705??? Once again. 25 pounds is not going to be make it or break it but to say a camaro that weights .....3820 how do we know it will scale that much with bare options play both sides stop being a ford can boy dbag!!! Make fun of my spelling make fun of hard to read post I am a busy person don't have my life to spend on here like u comparing 50 pounds tops of weight different!!! So a 3740-3750 pounds with recoros seats track pack base is within 120 pounds of a car that has less HP! And can beat it or keep up with it on a track!!! And u fall that s fail on gms part!!

A Base GT is probably Boss 302 competitive. A lighter car is worth more in a race than anything else. While I appreciate the Packages, they are just far too heavy. I don't need 33lbs rotors... or a 64lbs wheel/tire combo.

The Base LT1 Camaro will be heavier, just based on the mass. Add in a Z51 type package to a 6th Gen and it will be in for an equal weight gain.

It is just more difficult to lose OEM weight but, there is a lot more weight to take out.

This is where the GT350 will likely lose weight, right from under our noses. All the NVH and replacement of all the overly heavy equipment.

 

[68fbjjz109]

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395224

There is an interesting comment based on someone talking with GM engineers.

Oh yeah, last thing, a comment was made that the 6th gen was anticipated to "destroy" a 350r Mustang. So sit back and enjoy the journey to the release date with confidence and anticipation

Little odd seeing as we know almost nothing about the cars, that they can quantify that the 6Gen will destroy the 350R.

Glad someone on Camaro 6gen mentioned that there is fair to little known about both cars to really quantify that statement.

 

[S550guy]

Thank You!!! I can see where the extra weight is...

I actually didn't read this closely either..

It appears that MagneRide is a standalone option that is available on top of the Z51 package. In other words, you can't get MagneRide unless you get Z51, but getting Z51 alone does not get you MagneRide.

I would be interested to know if the passive damper on the Z51 package is a unique valve code as compared to the base damper. Given the amount of equipment Z51 adds, I would expect it to be unique.

 

[Grimace427]

There were already Mustang posts deleted from that page. I took a few screenshots in case your post gets deleted too. I have a funny feeling...

 

[Grimace427]

I actually didn't read this closely either..

It appears that MagneRide is a standalone option that is available on top of the Z51 package. In other words, you can't get MagneRide unless you get Z51, but getting Z51 alone does not get you MagneRide.

I would be interested to know if the passive damper on the Z51 package is a unique valve code as compared to the base damper. Given the amount of equipment Z51 adds, I would expect it to be unique.

Has anyone seen what kind of difference the MagnaRide has in weight? I can't imagine how it would add much weight at all, other than the electronics. I deal with hydraulic suspension from Mercedes which not only has hefty dampers but also the pump, hydraulic valve units, hoses, and the fluid itself.

 

[02gtnh]

It isn't a Premium GT, it is a Base GT with Premium and Performance Package equipment standard.

Here is that misprint... that they continued to quote and use throughout the competition.

It could be shipping weight...


POW POW!!!

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10582

The S550 is a global platform, the differences mostly pertaining to lighting and cosmetic changes. The vehicles are nearly identical... Maybe a pound is lighter in Germany.

Anyway, this 3639lbs GT uses most of the Performance Pack and the heavy Premium stuff like the 9 Speaker system. It also uses 275 rears, 15 inch disc (PP disc package), sways, strut tower brace... and some other crap... A Recaro GT at that weight would be closer to 3580-3620lbs. About the same as a 2014 Brembo GT w/ Recaro's.

Also, the 6 Way, Heated/Cooled Driver/Passenger Leather seats are standard. Our standard seats are the manual cloth.

So, since we all have witnessed an Auto GT w/Standard Seats (need to check if it was a Premium) weighed 3705lbs, I would think a Recaro Manual would be nearing 3670lbs. Then you have your 20lbs margin of human error.

Have you every considered the eu numbers are not correct? There are no official specs on eu fords website, just that spec sheet from Oct of last year. Do you really think the eu EB car gains 30lbs over the U.S. car, yet the GT some how looses nearly 70lbs.:shrug:

 

[02gtnh]

No, the Performance Package is very, very heavy this year. That Mustang had every stand alone option, it was a Premium (12 Speaker) and it was a Performance Package.

The Performance Package is around 90lbs. The Premium is 45-60lbs (9 and 12 Speaker) and the option list weight is unknown. The Recaro's only save about 10lbs vs. the Standard Seats but the Premium Leather weighs over 70lbs per seat, the Recaro's weigh about 45lbs (Standard Seats weigh 50lbs).

I am sorry, it just doesn't add up.

A guy on here had a GTPP manual that weighed 3744lbs. If you delete the Performance Package, it will not weigh 3705lbs nor 3700 flat. It would be about 90lbs lighter than what he weighed it at (3744lbs).


There is actually no way to get around that... 90lbs is actually reasonable since the Corvette's Z51 weighs 150lbs. I don't know what you get in the Z51 though (Can someone enlighten me on the Z51?).

Where are you getting 90lbs for the pp package? Plus the guy who weighed his car only had 3/4 tank.

 

[02gtnh]

No, the Performance Package is very, very heavy this year. That Mustang had every stand alone option, it was a Premium (12 Speaker) and it was a Performance Package.

The Performance Package is around 90lbs. The Premium is 45-60lbs (9 and 12 Speaker) and the option list weight is unknown. The Recaro's only save about 10lbs vs. the Standard Seats but the Premium Leather weighs over 70lbs per seat, the Recaro's weigh about 45lbs (Standard Seats weigh 50lbs).

I am sorry, it just doesn't add up.

A guy on here had a GTPP manual that weighed 3744lbs. If you delete the Performance Package, it will not weigh 3705lbs nor 3700 flat. It would be about 90lbs lighter than what he weighed it at (3744lbs).

There is actually no way to get around that... 90lbs is actually reasonable since the Corvette's Z51 weighs 150lbs. I don't know what you get in the Z51 though (Can someone enlighten me on the Z51?).

You keep saying this guy and that guy but no proof. Here is some proof.

http://www.vorshlag.com/blog/?p=837

 

[02gtnh]

Besides...

Ford used the curb weight of the 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 GT's with the Brembo Pack, Performance Pack and Track Packs equipped RIGHT???

3605-3670 is what a previous packaged GT was tested at numerous times. What makes you think that changed? Especially since we have a few GTPP's on here between 3720-3740 right now. One Auto GT at 3705...

It seems to me that the 3705lbs Ford reported consist of something or other if we are seeing real world numbers that don't add up. The weight gain from the 14" to 15" rotors alone is 22lbs... notgonnahappen.com

That means the Performance Pack this year adds over 60lbs for sure, the 2011 Brembo Package added 60lbs alone. This year I am positive it is more. What would happen to the curb weight if one of those guys (that actually weighed their own car) deleted a 60-80lbs Performance Package?

Could we subtract 60lbs from 3744lbs? That is 3684lbs in a pretty reasonable worst case scenario. What about the guy that weighed his at 3722lbs and if 80lbs were to be deleted in the package?

OH NO!!! That is 3642lbs!!! Please Don't have Recaro's!! Please be a full tank of gas!!

Recaro's are another 10lbs total... 50 Miles to E is another 72lbs.

OH NO!!! 3560lbs!!!

Edit: Just a weight check real quick
Front Rotors: 22lbs
Rear Rotors: 8lbs
Cooler: 13,16 or 19lbs
Larger Rad: 5lbs
Calipers: 14lbs for all four
Wheels and Tires: 8lbs a piece for front/Can't remember the rear. Just say 35lbs.

That is almost 100lbs... Some of those weights are from the weight saving thread here. everyone here witnessed at least the 3744lbs GTPP for sure... Why is it hard to believe that the Mustang GT won't get lighter without the Performance Package?

I think you need to read what they weigh thread. The total weight difference between pp tires and wheels and front brake upgrade is only 39llbs so where are you getting the other 60lbs. The tires and brakes are the biggest weight gain, all the other stuff is minimal.

 

[Cmycobrafly]

I think you need to read what they weigh thread. The total weight difference between pp tires and wheels and front brake upgrade is only 39llbs so where are you getting the other 60lbs. The tires and brakes are the biggest weight gain, all the other stuff is minimal.

Tell pill to go road race with 50 miles to empty lol I know I drain my tank at blackhawk farms fairly quick lol 2-3 gallons in there probley and he is being unreal! Well at least everybody thinks he is a quack! Lets use his methods on a camaro! Let's drain 2 quarts of oil to! Hell you don't need that much coolant or brake fluid either!!! Hell yank the ac out! Windows hell who needs them oh boy camaro is lighter than a mustang now!

 

[traxiii]

The pill thinks a 5.5 l is racing only discplacent wait let me guess that I'd max displacement for some class!!gm could pick 5.2 or 5.3 or 5.5 or 5.5 that isn't how power train engineers think! They have effiencey goals! It may be a smidge smaller or bigger but that was starting point! Also name was trademarked like in 2012 again!

Jezz Louise, learn to spell, punctuation and sentence structure, I can't read you posts they're so full of horrible grammar and abbreviation they drive me crazy.:headbonk:

 

[thePill]

You keep saying this guy and that guy but no proof. Here is some proof.

http://www.vorshlag.com/blog/?p=837

He has a GTPP that weighs 3718lbs... and I guess deleting that equipment wouldn't alter the weight... Got it..

I also left some of the equipment out of my weight figures. I stopped once I got well over 100lbs.

 

[thePill]

Anyway, I am not an idiot...

If you have a GTPP that weighs 3710-3744lbs, it WILL weigh drastically less without the package.

END OF DISCUSSION

You can't tell me Ford's 3705 is a Base GT then link a guy that weighed his GTPP 12lbs heavier.

The Performance Pack DOES NOT weigh 12lbs.

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