GT350 vs. Z/28

[02gtnh]

60hp, 80tq... Who's counting and who cares...

The z28 doesn't belong in CTSC, never did. Chevy couldn't compete in the class unless MAJOR rules were broken.

Stop trying to make the z28 a victim. Chevy couldn't beat the Boss, and the f@cking 1LE is a REAL WORLD JOKE!!!

It's completely and totally pathetic and so is any attempts to justify its advantages as "Fair" or "Equal". Key word is "Advantage" and that is exactly what the Camaro needs to be competitive, rule breaking advantages.

Such a victim, a victim of over regulation that just so happens to be purely Chevy's fault... for not trying like everyone else. The real victim is the racing fans who were just robbed of Factory Racing. Just because they Frankensteined together a Micky Mouse piece of sh!t...

I have never seen someone whine and complain so much over a stupid car.

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[thePill]

I have never seen someone whine and complain so much over a stupid car.

You got the "stupid car" correct... Your on the right path...


I think what you really mean is...

"I've never seen anyone so dedicated, devoted and passionate to a cause"

or

"I've never seen anyone so correct about my favorite product before"

 

[BaylorCorvette]

Justify its advantages as "fair" or "equal" OK lets look at a few things....

The Z/28.R is racing with 8.028% less weight than the consumer version.
The Boss 302R is racing with 9.925% less weight than the consumer version.
The 370ZR is racing with 17.193% less weight than the consumer version.
The Porsche 991 Carrera GTS is racing with 11.545% less weight than the consumer version.

The Boss 302R has a 7.196% weight advantage over the Z/28.R
The 370ZR has a 25.439% weight advantage over the Z/28.R
The Porsche 991 Carrera GTS has a 16.260% weight advantage over the Z/28.R

Lets assume that the Z/28.R actually has 60 hp advantage in the class. Given its weight disadvantage that seems acceptable to me. Lets not forget the last couple of races the Z/28.R couldn't pull away from the pack (certainly not at will like the GT350R-C last race), cars were keeping up with it in the straights, so to say there is a distinct power advantage in class is a bit silly.

Lets not forgot how much of a disadvantage having more weight is in a race. It is brutal on the tires, and we've seen it time and time again where the Z/28.R is fast on the first few laps of a fresh set of tires. However the 370Z, Porsche and Boss all make strong pushes at the end in comparison to the Z/28.R.

I get that the Z/28.R has a bigger engine but as of this season it has really been detuned with the restrictor and only allowing it to rev to 6,100 rpms in 1-3 & 6 gear and 6,400 in 4 & 5 gear. Where as the Boss revs to 8,000 the GT350R-C revs to 8,200 the Nissan 370Z revs to 8,800 and the Porsche revs to 7,850.

Chevy didn't build a car around IMSA, yet IMSA let the Z/28.R in. Shame on IMSA. However given the information above, it is clear that IMSA is taking steps to equalize the Z/28.R

 

[thePill]

Let's not and say we did...

We already looked at everything, verdict is in, the z28 is not CTSC worthy. Moving on...

 

[BaylorCorvette]

Let's not and say we did...

We already looked at everything, verdict is in, the z28 is not CTSC worthy. Moving on...

If you insist. I've got a list of other conspiracy stories we can discuss at your pleasure. ;)

 

[02gtnh]

You got the "stupid car" correct... Your on the right path...


I think what you really mean is...

"I've never seen anyone so dedicated, devoted and passionate to a cause"

or

"I've never seen anyone so correct about my favorite product before"

Anybody that is devoted to a cause is someone who's looking out for people that are effected by something. Your cause effects no one other then yourself.

 

[thePill]

If you insist. I've got a list of other conspiracy stories we can discuss at your pleasure. ;)

Not a theory, a 7 liter V8 will typically make more power than a 3.6/3.8 Turbo and a 4-5 liter V8. No matter how much you want to believe the z28 is fair and balanced, it is not.

The z28 was given a 420lbs allowance ONLY to make it competitive. Not that the output advantage matters to you.

It's amazing you credit a 7% weight advantage to the Boss yet skip the percentage of power advantage. Weight in motion pays less penalty, more output is far better.

Now Ford has answered with a totally non-compliant GT350. The class is done and it was mainly Chevy's undoing.




IMSA NEVER LIKED THE LS7, EVER... They made Team Corvette go from 7 liters to 5.5. Why is the Camaro permitted the LS7? Because it in fact licks balls...

 

[thePill]

Anybody that is devoted to a cause is someone who's looking out for people that are effected by something. Your cause effects no one other then yourself.

Oh yeah? Maybe it's just you driving up the view count?

 

[BaylorCorvette]

Not a theory, a 7 liter V8 will typically make more power than a 3.6/3.8 Turbo and a 4-5 liter V8. No matter how much you want to believe the z28 is fair and balanced, it is not.

Which is why all of the competitors are permitted to rev to the moon, where as the LS7 is brought down.

The z28 was given a 420lbs allowance ONLY to make it competitive. Not that the output advantage matters to you.

The Z/28.R is racing at 287 lbs less than the consumer variant (8.028% less) that's CLOSER to the consumer version than ANY OTHER CAR IN CLASS. That's like saying you have a 10,000 pound car and IMSA allows you to race it with a 1,000 lb weight reduction. You're still racing a 9,000 lb car. You're telling me that 9,000 lb car has an unfair advantage because of its weight allowance? LOL OK.

It's amazing you credit a 7% weight advantage to the Boss yet skip the percentage of power advantage. Weight in motion pays less penalty, more output is far better.

I'm simply posting information utilized from IMSA's Specific Car Regulations which isn't showing power ratings.

 

[thePill]

Which is why all of the competitors are permitted to rev to the moon, where as the LS7 is brought down.


The Z/28.R is racing at 287 lbs less than the consumer variant (8.028% less) that's CLOSER to the consumer version than ANY OTHER CAR IN CLASS. That's like saying you have a 10,000 pound car and IMSA allows you to race it with a 1,000 lb weight reduction. You're still racing a 9,000 lb car. You're telling me that 9,000 lb car has an unfair advantage because of its weight allowance? LOL OK.


I'm simply posting information utilized from IMSA's Specific Car Regulations which isn't showing power ratings.

Take two things from your post and focus on them.

The z28r is still a 3600lbs race car , the LS7 needs restrictions and is STILL well over the classes RWHP limit.

That 60hp and 80tq advantage is only between the Boss 302. The power advantage grows as you go down the list. It took them 15 races to determine that the LS7 had a power advantage?

The z28 and LS7 was needed because an LS3 and 1LE would have gotten hammered. I'm betting IF the GS.R was still racing, the Boss would still have a 58mm restrictor.

If at any time:

a.) Your vehicle requires massive restrictions

or

b.) Your vehicle required major changes from the homologated factory version

or

c.) You can't build the damn thing yourself


You probably shouldn't be here.

 

[BaylorCorvette]

The z28r is still a 3600lbs race car

Fat racecar is a disadvantage.

the LS7 needs restrictions and is STILL well over the classes RWHP limit.

And restrictions it was given. However I've been unable to locate specific IMSA sources that show its RWHP over the class.

That 60hp and 80tq advantage is only between the Boss 302. The power advantage grows as you go down the list.

Isn't that what's good about these series? Cars aren't all cookie cutters of each other. Cars have different weight, different engines, different power, different gearing, etc.

It took them 15 races to determine that the LS7 had a power advantage?

That's on IMSA officiating.

The z28 and LS7 was needed because an LS3 and 1LE would have gotten hammered.

No doubt the Z/28.R is superior to the GS. However the Chevy placed third in points in the 2012 season with the GS (behind Porsche & BMW). In the 2011 season Chevy placed third again with the GS (behind BMW and Ford). So I don't know if I'd say it got hammered. It was still competitive and wasn't getting blown out of the water.

 

[02gtnh]

Take two things from your post and focus on them.

The z28r is still a 3600lbs race car , the LS7 needs restrictions and is STILL well over the classes RWHP limit.

That 60hp and 80tq advantage is only between the Boss 302. The power advantage grows as you go down the list. It took them 15 races to determine that the LS7 had a power advantage?

The z28 and LS7 was needed because an LS3 and 1LE would have gotten hammered. I'm betting IF the GS.R was still racing, the Boss would still have a 58mm restrictor.

If at any time:

a.) Your vehicle requires massive restrictions

or

b.) Your vehicle required major changes from the homologated factory version

or

c.) You can't build the damn thing yourself


You probably shouldn't be here.

It's called power to weight ratio. The z28 is at 425hp with a 60mm at 3575, which is 8.4 lbs per hp. The boss is at 444hp at 3290 which is 7.4lbs per hp. And look at all the changes that can be made to the Boss, those are not stock items.

 

[thePill]

The fact that both Chevy and NASCAR agree to this z28 shenanigans, IMSA got involved after the purchase.

IMSA didn't initially restrict NASCAR's previous decision to allow these advantages. In fact, looking at the 2014 z28r's performance, it f@cking sucked... They more than likely figured it would continue to suck but at least manage a Championship.

No, we are forced into watching the Camaro literally get a 3 race head start and a free win due to rain.

This is not what I like about the class. That died in 2012 when the fat boys in general were allowed to play.

The GT350 won back to back poles, swept the front row and already has a victory. I swear to god I seen people on C5 claiming the GT350 was unfair.

Yeah, it is... I'll put it to you this way...

The unrestricted z28 beats a Boss as the GT350 beats a z28. The gap is that large on the OEM side, similar to CTSC now.

Oh well, I hope Rum Bum wins the title again this year. Chevy doesn't deserve shit and I myself probably wouldn't even shit on them.

 

[BaylorCorvette]

Oh well, I hope Rum Bum wins the title again this year. Chevy doesn't deserve shit and I myself probably wouldn't even shit in them.

Cool sob story! :clap2:

 

[thePill]

It's called power to weight ratio. The z28 is at 425hp with a 60mm at 3575, which is 8.4 lbs per hp. The boss is at 444hp at 3290 which is 7.4lbs per hp. And look at all the changes that can be made to the Boss, those are not stock items.

The z28 is not at 425rwhp. The SCCA GTS z28 uses a 44mm restrictor and its output is 425. It was a 470rwhp car with an 80mm. It should be around 450rwhp OR, about 55 more than the Boss. I got you so f@cked up your using RWHP for the z28 and crank power for the Boss to make your fantasy a reality.

I love how you just credit the z28 as the victim in all this. Chevy knew it would eventually come to this but they figured they would of had a title by now.

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