GT350 vs. Z/28

[Stuntman]

No, your wrong. The CTSC Rulebook was updated in Feb 2015. As usual, I posted that info here. Sorry, wrong again... The Boss had a 57mm restrictor in February. I made a point to call it out again. Again, in Feb 2015, the z28 had a 75mm tube. You just make shit up as you go?

Chevy couldn't build a proper competitor for CTSC. Now they got hit with lethal restrictions.

Maybe you should pay more attention to what I post instead of trying to discredit every punctuation mark. You have been incredibly wrong on most occasions and it's getting repetitive.

There was a February 25th update to the Sporting Regulations, but there only has been 2 changes to the Specific Car Rules ("SCR")s this year, January and April.

The Boss has never run a restrictor in 2015 and you were wrong earlier this year as well when you stated the 302R had a restrictor. The 57mm restrictor has been gone since the SCR update on May 16, 2014. The Mustang won the season closer at Road Atlanta with no restrictor, while the Camaro received a 68mm restrictor and 3,550lb weight penalty in the September 12, 2014 SCR update right before the COTA and Road Atlanta races.

I dont put much value in your 'sources' or 'information' since you've been consistently wrong pretty much all the time when it comes to the CTSCC rulebook or IMSA/Grand-Am history. I'm not familiar with SCCA but I wouldn't be surprised if your statements have been wrong there either.

The race weight is funny... 3575lbs is not light. God the 5th Gen sucked...

The Z28R started at 3,300lbs; similarly to the M3 and 302R. They've just been so fast that theve had weight added to them constantly in attempt to slow them down, to the point where they are now the heaviest GS car and one of the heaviest road racing cars in the world. Running on some of the smallest tires in professional racing.

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[thePill]

Nope, the Boss was restricted at Sebring so.... Not sure what to tell you.

The z28's went to 68mm and 3500lbs after Sebring.

The 2014 Boss 302R is actually a dead car. You aren't actually permitted to run a 2014 in CTSC '15 anymore.


Cut-off should have been April but I need to check.

 

[Stuntman]

Nope, the Boss was restricted at Sebring so.... Not sure what to tell you.

I'm sorry, but you are delusional. Go look at the SCR history and stop taking heresay as fact and twisting it to fit your agenda. The 302R has not been restricted since 5/16/14 and it's there in the history in black and white.

The z28's went to 68mm and 3500lbs after Sebring.

The 2014 Boss 302R is actually a dead car. You aren't actually permitted to run a 2014 in CTSC '15 anymore.

Cut-off should have been April but I need to check.

No, between the January Test Days and the Daytona Race, the SCRs were updated 1/14/15 and the Z28 was given a 50lb weight break for Daytona (probably because they were sand-bagging at the test), to weigh 3,500lbs and they received a new RPM limit per gear, while their 68mm restrictor was a carry-over ever since 9/12/14. After the dominance at Daytona and Sebring, 75lbs was added to the Camaro (3,575lbs) and the restrictor was reduced 3mm to 65mm for the upcoming race at Laguna Seca.

The IMSA series allows a 5 year lifespan after production. If you receive a 302R built in 2014, you can run it in IMSA until 2019. Heck, the 991 Porsche is not allowed and teams are running 997s that are probably close to the 5 year limit. At this point, the fields are so small, i'm sure they would let an expired FR500C in to help with grid sizes. Get your facts straight and quite spewing nonsense.

 

[thePill]

Good to know... However, that 5 Year deal was a Grand Am rule. IMSA requires ALL competitors to:

1.) Have the current model year and model available 30 days prior to Daytona.

All Active Competitors need to be current MY per IMSA regulation. A lot has changed since NASCAR owed it.

2014 the z28 had an 80mm tube
2015 the z28 started with a 75mm tube
Sebring was 68mm
Laguna will be 65mm.

The Boss 302R was restricted until it became irrelevant and most teams dropped the car. Only a few Boss 302's remain active (Roush is gone).

Whatever you need to do to make yourself feel better. I reported the numbers as they were updated here. No secret, just how it is.

 

[Stuntman]

Good to know... However, that 5 Year deal was a Grand Am rule. IMSA requires ALL competitors to:

1.) Have the current model year and model available 30 days prior to Daytona.

You've said this numerous times and I have not bothered to verify it but show me proof in the rulebook (page number and section) where it says this. I think its more of your made up 'facts'.

All Active Competitors need to be current MY per IMSA regulation. A lot has changed since NASCAR owed it.

Absolutely not true. The Porsche 991 debut in 2012; that's 3 years ago. The 991 is not allowed to compete and teams are running the 997 which ended production 3 years ago.

That's funny, you continue to demonstrate you only know small tidbits of information when you really have no clue what you're talking about. NASCAR "partnered" with and uses the IMSA name, but they still own the series.

2014 the z28 had an 80mm tube
2015 the z28 started with a 75mm tube
Sebring was 68mm
Laguna will be 65mm.

The Boss 302R was restricted until it became irrelevant and most teams dropped the car. Only a few Boss 302's remain active (Roush is gone).

Whatever you need to do to make yourself feel better. I reported the numbers as they were updated here. No secret, just how it is.

Let me correct your history:
1/19/14 - Z28 started the season with an 80mm restrictor - correct.
3/7/14 - Z28 got a 75mm restrictor
5/16/14 - No Z28 updates.
9/12/14 - Z28 got a 68mm restrictor & ran Daytona & Sebring with it in 2015.
4/15/15 - Z28 got a 65mm restrictor for race 3 of the championship at Laguna.

As I said earlier, the Boss' restrictor was removed on 5/16/14. Your numbers are almost always wrong. You had the Z28 debut restrictor size and the April 2015 update restrictor size correct, thats only 50% accuracy. I've just been fixing your mistakes.

 

[thePill]

If it was removed last year then the February Document shouldn't have still said 57mm.

That is the issue here, you are telling me one thing and IMSA says another.

This isn't another 1/2 tubed theory is it?

I know you believe that BUT, when all of us here checked in February, everything was pretty much the same as it was last year except the z28.

I want to believe you but you have an awful track record here...

 

[Stuntman]

If it was removed last year then the February Document shouldn't have still said 57mm.

That is the issue here, you are telling me one thing and IMSA says another.

This isn't another 1/2 tubed theory is it?

I know you believe that BUT, when all of us here checked in February, everything was pretty much the same as it was last year except the z28.

I want to believe you but you have an awful track record here...

There was no SCR update in February and there never was. The 5/16/14 showed the removal of the Boss' restrictor in red and all following SCRs did not have a restrictor size listed for the rest of 2014 or 2015; because it is unrestricted.

IMSA is not telling "you" anything. You are hearing things second hand and all of your posts further strengthen the argument that you've never even seen the rulebook or any SCR update. This thread is not the end-all be-all nor are most of your statements 'fact'. Just because you were confused and stated the Boss had a 57mm restrictor back in February does not mean it's true. What the IMSA rulebook and SCRs say IS fact and I have already clarified all of the dates and restrictor changes for you.

You refuse to look into the weight distribution:tire pressure relationship as well as source a photo of the VDS transaxle out of laziness or your 'sources' are not as good as you claim them to be. You've had a pretty terrible track record other than vague statements, ambiguity, and contradictory statements that you always twist to support your claims. You'd probably make either a horrible or really good lawyer.

 

[thePill]

I did check the Rulebook and made record of it. The z28 went to a 75mm on 7 March. The Boss 302 still had a 57mm restriction. I also checked again in February 2015, the Boss 302 still had a 57mm restriction.

That is why it is always good to write all this down. So no, the Boss was still restricted in February. Admittedly, that was the last time I checked. I did report the 68mm restriction in March 2015 but never mentioned the Boss 302R. It may have been removed in March 2015...

But according to our records here, it was not unrestricted in March 2014. BMW would have a shit fit... I find it hard to believe you would hold on to this info for 12 months when I quote those restrictions religiously.

I will check your dates and see if I posted about the Boss 302's current status.

Edit: Nope, we still referenced the "40%" restriction on 9-23-14 in this thread. I did reference the 68mm restriction on 9-13-2014.

 

[Stuntman]

I did check the Rulebook and made record of it. The z28 went to a 75mm on 7 March (2014). The Boss 302 still had a 57mm restriction (on March 7,2014 - yes). I also checked again in February 2015, the Boss 302 still had a 57mm restriction.

I clarified the above, however you are wrong; the Boss did NOT have a 57mm restrictor in Feb, 2015 since it never had one since May 16, 2014. It's getting pretty old to have to repeat this endlessly.

That is why it is always good to write all this down. So no, the Boss was still restricted in February (Feb 2014, yes. Feb 2015 - NO. Please be more specific in your posts). Admittedly, that was the last time I checked. I did report the 68mm restriction in March 2015 but never mentioned the Boss 302R. It may have been removed in March 2015...

A restrictor was not removed from the Boss in March 2015 because it has not had one since May, 2014. The series would have documented the removal or change of a restrictor in an SCR, which it did... In 2014.

But according to our records here, it was not unrestricted in March 2014. BMW would have a shit fit... I find it hard to believe you would hold on to this info for 12 months when I quote those restrictions religiously.

I will check your dates and see if I posted about the Boss 302's current status.

Edit: Nope, we still referenced the "40%" restriction on 9-23-14 in this thread. I did reference the 68mm restriction on 9-13-2014.

This forum is not a good 'record' when it's filled with heresay and misinformation. The 'records' are in the IMSA SCR updates, which you don't seem to have access to.

I constantly correct you and I don't have the time to post 20+ times a day 7days a week like you seem to. I also dont always have the time to repeat myself 1000 times like I am today; when you refuse to accept black and white fact over your fuzzy recollection of what you remember posting in this thread.

You were wrong about the Boss having a restrictor after 5/16/14 and you lied about referencing the 68mm restrictor on 9/13/14.:

It's a sorry situation when a 7 liter V8 not only needs the rest of the field to be down 100hp per the rulebook (40% restriction on the M3 and Boss), they feel they need to cheat beyond that. That is a perfect example of Team Camaro's integrity.

On the other side of the pits, the M3's 4.0 liter V8 was fitted with dual 36mm inlet restrictors, that is about a 40% air restriction. The Boss uses a 57mm tube (90mm stock) (You were wrong at this time since the Boss did not have a restrictor since 5/16/14). That is information right in the rulebook...

You were wrong about the Boss, and you were talking about the BMW's having a 40% restriction.

Some of the information posted is misleading. Z28 is running a 68MM donut, it's limited to 6100RPM and has to weigh 3550.

Compared to the Boss which is limited to 8000RPM and has to weigh 3335-3360..

Tim was the first person to post the 68mm restriction, 12 days after the SCR gave them the restrictor.

You lie though your teeth Pill. Taking credit for referencing the restrictor when it was Tim who accurately referenced it. You're constantly wrong, twist everything to support your claims, and as I said before, your slippery nature and constant lies (which I'm not sure you're really smart and doing it intentionally, or if you truly believe in the crap you convince yourself of), would either make you a really horrible lawyer, or a REALLY good one... Or just a politician.

 

[Erik427]

Why can't we have no restrictions? If it's sold to the public? Then let it race. :ford:

 

[thePill]

Why can't we have no restrictions? If it's sold to the public? Then let it race. :ford:

Because some cars (Camaro, Chally) didn't belong in Motorsport. Manufacturers that try and fudge R&D and waiver in always slow the pack down.

At one time, the Boss 302R would qualify w/ a 1.35. Since then, it has been reduced to nearly nothing.

Chevy didn't have, nor could tgey build a competitive option. So the z28 was waivered in.

It's retarded to defend a car that should have never been in CTSC. They were lazy and it shows. That likely won't change this Gen. The 1LE would have been eaten alive...

The GT350 is fast, much faster than the Boss, GT500, ZL1 and z28.

1:35-1:36 is flying for this kinda money. The z28 blew at Laguna.


...and now I am lying through my teeth, even though everyone on this thread was given updates along the way. Another "Truth" crusader from Camaro5. I was always under the impression "Truth" was lost over there.

I am lying, but yet I updated everyone here almost quarterly. IMSA says one thing, Ass clown now says IMSA was incorrect. Tim piggy backed from my comment the day before. You are reaching. I don't know what's more pathetic, you trying to recover this argument or ChefBoyRCarfan emailing me all day to tell me what a loser I am... I said he emailed me all day... like I broke up with him suddenly without explaination. If you can't handle thePill, get off thePill's nuts.


Get it through your skull, the Boss was restricted until just recently.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

ChefBoyRCarfan emailing me all day to tell me what a loser I am... I said he emailed me all day... like I broke up with him suddenly without explaination. If you can't handle thePill, get off thePill's nuts.

This is freaking hilarious about ChefBoyROzzy. Gotta love someone that gets banned and tries to come back again. Get a freaking life.

 

[thePill]

This is freaking hilarious about ChefBoyROzzy. Gotta love someone that gets banned and tries to come back again. Get a freaking life.

Hey Todd,

Wanna see thePill fry an egg?

Stuntman instructed me to revisit the IMSA SCR. He claims changes were made in May 2014. However, IMSA keeps track of all the changes. Scroll down to March 7th (#14-58). This was the last change to GS in 2014. Another update for the Porsche a week later (#14-68)

So, while it may be possible the Boss dropped restriction in February 2015. It is impossible the SCR neglected that change and never showed it. Unless there is a secret document he has that IMSA doesn't provide.

http://www.imsa.com/bulletins

Last update in 2014 was 1-10-2014. The z28 STILL had an 80mm tube. The 75mm came during the off season. 68mm after Daytona, 65mm after Sebring.

This is why I don't listen to this boy. Calls me a liar then directs me to a nonexistent document he pretty much made up.

 

[Brent302]

This is freaking hilarious about ChefBoyROzzy. Gotta love someone that gets banned and tries to come back again. Get a freaking life.

He got banned? Good riddance lol

 

[Stuntman]

Stuntman instructed me to revisit the IMSA SCR. He claims changes were made in May 2014. However, IMSA keeps track of all the changes. Scroll down to March 7th (#14-58). This was the last change to GS in 2014. Another update for the Porsche a week later (#14-68)

So, while it may be possible the Boss dropped restriction in February 2015. It is impossible the SCR neglected that change and never showed it. Unless there is a secret document he has that IMSA doesn't provide.

http://www.imsa.com/bulletins

Last update in 2014 was 1-10-2014. The z28 STILL had an 80mm tube. The 75mm came during the off season. 68mm after Daytona, 65mm after Sebring.

This is why I don't listen to this boy. Calls me a liar then directs me to a nonexistent document he pretty much made up.

As I said earlier, the Boss' restrictor was removed on 5/16/14, here's the SCR update:

http://admin.imsa.com/sites/default/files/uploads/CTSC SCR 5_16_14 v1.pdf

And here's the history according to the SCR updates (which are not always competition bulletins):
1/19/14 - Z28 started the season with an 80mm restrictor - correct.
3/7/14 - Z28 got a 75mm restrictor
5/16/14 - No Z28 updates.
9/12/14 - Z28 got a 68mm restrictor & ran Daytona & Sebring with it in 2015.
4/15/15 - Z28 got a 65mm restrictor for race 3 of the championship at Laguna.

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