Going Bye Bye for Winter Soon

[montreal ponies]

Montreal, Canada.
Well if it works in Montreal, maybe I will try in Jersey. LOL
I know how cold it is up that way, been there during winter, eye opener.

Do you use the Oil and Gas Stabil, or just gas?

And BTW, are you a Montreal GP attendee. Been there more times than I can count.
I remember seeing René Arnoux, Gilles, and all the rest back when they drove 1000 HP gas tanks with wheels.

I only use it with a tank full of 94 gas. Yes we get that up here. As far as oil goes, i do a O/C before storing the car.

I use to attend the Montreal GP back in the days when Villeneuve and Schumacher would battle it out for the championship, but i stopped going a long time ago .
I don't like what F1 as evolved to be. I turned my attention to Nascar instead.

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[GT350/BT55]

Quote:
"I don't like what F1 as evolved to be. I turned my attention to Nascar instead."

As in maybe 3 passes per race LOL

Check this out, is this what you remember back in the day?

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[J_Maher_AMG]

I'm in east coast as well.

Will drive my GT350 to the ground. I can never understand why people keep their car in storage. I could never do it regardless of my financial situation.

The "itch" is so strong

Because some of us prefer to "drive it into the ground" over the course of the next 30-40 years, rather than the next 5-10

Winter driving anything = destroyed paint, body, powertrain, etc over time, which me no likey

 

[Mike02z]

I'm in east coast as well.

Will drive my GT350 to the ground. I can never understand why people keep their car in storage. I could never do it regardless of my financial situation.

The "itch" is so strong

I have a few reasons for putting it away for the winter.

1.) Not AWD - I have 2 cars with AWD. I don't care what kind of tires I were to put on the GT350, it will never go in snow like my Subaru with Blizaks on it.

2.) Salt - Once the roads are salted, I don't want to get salt all over the underside of my car.

3.) Stock tires have little grip below 50 degrees. Not worth the risk

4.) My GT350 is my "fun" car. It won't be much fun if some azzhat runs into me because he/she can't drive in weather.

5.) I commute and my job is 132 miles away. I don't make that much money to pay for the gas for that drive in the GT350.

6.) My job is near Scranton, PA and my office is at 1500'. We get a LOT more snow up there then down near Philly.

7.) It's tradition. I have always stored my fun cars for the winter. It make spring all that much sweeter when I bring my car out.

8.) Car Wash - I refuse to take my car to a car wash. It's just too damn cold in the winter to wash the car by hand. With it put away, I don't have to wash it after a couple of drives.

I fill my tank up with 93 and put it on the tender. I do not change the oil before putting it away. I change the when taking it out of hibernation.

 

[MCarsFan]

Because some of us prefer to "drive it into the ground" over the course of the next 30-40 years, rather than the next 5-10

Winter driving anything = destroyed paint, body, powertrain, etc over time, which me no likey

Ok, now comes the part where I just share my "experience".

I put little over 1700 miles/month on my M5. Over half those miles with snows on and the car has seen so much snow, salt, ice, and debris. Before M5, there were M3s and M5s. All were special cars in their own sense and all were driven in cold northeast winters for over a decade.

I use quality (wolfgang) sealants on my cars twice a year and claybar them at least twice. I also polish them from time to time. My paint on my M5 now is better than how it was when I picked it up.

Automotive paint is highly resiliant. If you know how to take care of your car, it will be back to how it was after each proper detail.

The only thing above prep doesnt cover is chips things like salt/rocks etc cause in winter months. In my previous cars, I never had xpel and yes the front bumper did have small paint imperfections due to salt and road debris hitting.

Thats what xpel is for. My entire front end, doors, rockers, rear quarter panel is covered in xpel ultimate. On top of that there is sealant.

So tell me exactly what it is that will happen to my car that is irrepairable by basic detailing techniques. Its not meant to be a sarcastic comment, I'm all ears.

 

[MCarsFan]

I'll make 2 arguments here, neither based on hearsay.

1- My quickjack is due to arrive in couple of weeks. When it does come, I will take pictures of every corner of the undercarriage of my M5, which has over 30,000 miles now and 2 full northeast winters of driving. If there is even the slightest amount of corrosion or any damage, I will eat my words, apologize and go away. But there wont be because I have been driving these cars for so long and put on probably 120-140k miles combined in these roads. I always work on my cars and I have never seen any undercarriage damage like that. Now if you are implying that this particular Ford is susceptible to rust and corrosion and you know something I dont, thats a different matter. But modern cars should not corrode.

2- Say even if you are right and I am wrong. Why do you care how your undercarriage is? How much do you think this will impact the driveability of your car and future resale value or your overall "eye candy" satisfaction. Do you constantly go under your car with a microscope? Will a future buyer or a dealer inspect the undercarriage and give you $5000 less because your car has corrosion due to winter driving? If the visible exterior of your car is clean and in great shape and it drives fine, thats all there is. Now what will happen is, which many of you are missing, not driving a car like this due to its engine characteristics, have FAR MORE negative long term effects (that oil sitting in there for 6 months, the seals of the cylinders and valve train not running that long). How do I know? I know from my days of E90 M3 ownership which has a similar engine, burns so much oil, revs high, special race engine etc. and guess what, those who kept their car in garage and not drive them all the time were the ones with issues like excessive oil usage, rod bearings, throttle body actuators, oxygen sensor problems, so on. Another example is porsche's gt line. These kinds of cars dont like to be kept in a garage, for 6 months at a stretch.

 

[machsmith]

I don't store with stabilizer. They have ethanol in them which can gel. I put in the highest premium we have here (91) and call it good. I store my car in a heat controled shop so temps aren't up and down so I only put 1/2 tank in. I'll run the car easy being carefull not to get into any pinging(detonation) I run the fuel out of the car completely. This is the way I do it. I used to use stabilizer and never had any issues but it also never did any better.
Just never store a car with ethanol fuel in it. It will gel up!
Here it is, getting ready to sleep.

 

[GT350/BT55]

I don't store with stabilizer. They have ethanol in them which can gel. I put in the highest premium we have here (91) and call it good. I store my car in a hear controled shop so temps aren't up and down so I only put 1/2 tank in. I'll run the car easy being carefull not to get into any pinging(detonation) I run the fuel out of the car completely. This is the way I do it. I used to use stabilizer and never had any issues but it also never did any better.
Just never store a car with ethanol fuel in it. It will gel up!

1.) Noted re the ethanol.

2.) "I run the fuel out of the car completely." Sorry, I don't understand this.
Can you explain?

 

[GT350/BT55]

Holy Crap, nice garage :-)

 

[machsmith]

Thanks man, I run the old gas out of the car. Not so it shuts down... Haha
I drive and watch the gas gauge when I get to around 5 miles to empty I get near a gas station bring an empty small gas can, sit by the gas station and let it run until 1 or 2 miles to empty and pull up to the pump and then let it run for a bit and shut it down and fill up.
We do have 93 ethanol here and it runs good in the car. I only put in 1/2 tank at a time unless I think ill drive it enough to use what I got within a couple weeks. Ethanol can gel up within 2 weeks.
I always run it completely out, and put in 91 premium to store the car. So far I've only ran 91 premium in this car and it's done well, I may just stick with 91 in this one.

 

[MCarsFan]

I don't store with stabilizer. They have ethanol in them which can gel. I put in the highest premium we have here (91) and call it good. I store my car in a heat controled shop so temps aren't up and down so I only put 1/2 tank in. I'll run the car easy being carefull not to get into any pinging(detonation) I run the fuel out of the car completely. This is the way I do it. I used to use stabilizer and never had any issues but it also never did any better.
Just never store a car with ethanol fuel in it. It will gel up!
Here it is, getting ready to sleep.

Very nice garage, its my dream. Maybe one day

 

[smsgt350]

Here in Canada its ethanol free 94 all the way.I put that shit in everything. From the chainsaw to the snowblower to the shelby cause sooner or later stuff has to sit through the cold!!

 

[Schredder]

I live in Maine. Put it away a couple weeks ago. Full tank, no stabil. Put the cover on it in my garage with sonic mouse pest control plugged in. They work great. I'll start it up once a month and roll it 6 inches or so to keep from getting flat spots. Once the salt is washed off the roads in spring. Take it out for one long first ride and get some fresh gas in it. Got my recall. so they can do my first oil change when they fix it. Got just over a thousand miles on it. Gonna be a long winter.

 

[Tank]

Here in Canada its ethanol free 94 all the way.I put that shit in everything. From the chainsaw to the snowblower to the shelby cause sooner or later stuff has to sit through the cold!!

Sounds like a petrol paradise :lol:

 

[MCarsFan]

I think you missed a point I made.

My car has almost full xpel ultimate. On top of that I have sealant. If I didnt xpel it, I wouldnt drive it.

The other point I want to make is, driving behind a salt truck is no different than driving behind construction dump trucks carrying asphalt and dropping tar covered rocks. Its common sense. I keep at least a mile from those trucks.

But yes, if I didnt have xpel, i wouldnt drive it. I have xpel in front, sides (doors rockers) and rear quarter panels as well as lower bumper.

Sorry disagree STRONGLY. Just salt coming and hitting your car can cause chips in the paint. God forbid you have to pass a salt truck. You can be the best detailer in the world and no one can stop that.

How do you wash off the salt that accumulates on your paint? Tires are too big for most car washes. Do you leave it all cruddy all winter then wash in spring? Not sure where you get your information about salt not being a danger to a car. I get that a good detail can protect some parts of your car but still impacts the undercarriage unless you seal that as well

Try a Google search and come back with your proof.

I'll give you some food for thought:

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/winter-road-salt-necessary-but/22699332

http://www.dmv.org/how-to-guides/road-salt.php

http://www.royaltouchcarwash.com/preventing-road-salt-damage/

http://www.automotivequalitysolutions.com/how-road-salt-and-deicing-chemicals-damage-a-cars-finish/

Please keep in mind this is a debate. I'm not angry or sensitive in any way. At times you make some good points but other times I wonder where you are coming from. It's OK though. Different stokes... :cheers:

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