Again this was discussed pages back on this very thread. Memory gone now as well?
Hello; Had to go thru the freedom of information act for the same reason Gregs is so very quick to try to dismiss the event. Which he did soonest along with throwing a putdown at you.
Seriously you’re like those really smart guys who knows everything yet knows nothing. It’s not about them going up in flames that I posted this. You shouldn’t have to file a FOIA to get a video of a burning car.
Well what is it about if it isn't about them going up in flames?
Hello; As opposed to you trying to make nothing out of something??? The intensity and difficulty to extinguish of the battery fires is a big deal. Maybe the EV ought to come with a bottle of AFFF foam fire retardant?
But surely an FOI is for a governmental organisation only - not a private company? Certainly in the UK you wouldn't use an FOI request to Ford. Yes to the fire service, but not a company
So, if you want a fire service video then of course YES you do need to use FOIA.
Hello; I agree that Ford would just as soon the video never see the light of day. Not hard to understand. A thing is the video in the posted link was from a local news station. Channel four it appears.
It’s one of our local Detroit stations. I’m very familiar with the station and the reporters involved. We are right in Ford’s backyard. Ford World HQ is literally about a five minute expressway drive from my house. The incident had already been discussed on each local station’s broadcasts for several weeks before the video aired. I assume the lag time between when the fire happened and when the video aired was all legal time in getting the FOIA.
Not true at all, but then I’ve sawed off on this enough times.
The idea that people don’t want them runs counter to the fact that Tesla Model Y is now outselling Ford F-Series, Toyota RAV4, Camry and Highlander, Silverado, and Sierra, and other vehicles that usually top the monthly sales charts. Tesla Model 3 is #10 on the sales charts. Not a bad showing for a company that barely existed 10 years ago with a product that “most people don’t want”.
Your memory serves you well for the most part. By the time the video aired Ford had stopped production for 5 weeks, made process and quality improvements at the plant that assembles the batteries, and resumed production.
I’m well aware of your position and it is not an uncommon position. What I have been trying to point out is that many of the reservations you have offered have already been dealt with even though you like to consider them as “someday”. For most (not all) of the issues you identify, someday is today.
Objectively speaking, I think Burkey has been very transparent in his reasoning. I think you are actively ignoring his main point and emphasizing his minor point.
I do agree that the ZEV mandates in certain states are a bit over the top as well as rife with loopholes. That’s a whole new discussion. But most of those occurred AFTER major auto makers publicly communicated their shift in strategies from ICE to EV. The automakers have made their shifts because they could see the impact Tesla has had on the market. They see stats like “65% of people who own an EV expect their next purchase to be an EV”. When you take into account that most of those initial buyers purchased their first EV as a second or third vehicle, what the stat really says is that these people were already poised to step up and make an EV their primary vehicle. Tie to that the fact that companies like GM can transition their portfolios to go from approximately two dozen platform architectures down to two architectures, each with one or two derivatives and you can start to understand the automakers’ motivation For the shift in product strategy. Platform architectures drive billion$ of dollars per year to support with engineering and manufacturing investments. Commonizing down to a handful of architectures is a huge savings.
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But Ford could have released it with absolutely zero problems.
Well could they? They would need to get the video from the Police Department to start with. Even a cursory Google reveals it was the Police that took the video.
So you’re telling me that Ford had no cameras on their property. Are you that thick? So you’re telling me that Ford has no cameras that caught this on their property and could have released it on their own. Seriously take a break from the forum sit down and think about the garbage you just posted.Well could they? They would need to get the video from the Police Department to start with. Even a cursory Google reveals it was the Police that took the video.
You clearly haven't read or understood what has been said above have you? The Police WILL NOT give out their video without a FOI request.
Your words:
“We had a fire this is what happened and we are doing everything with in our power to make sure it doesn’t happen again to keep our employees and the public safe.”
That is EXACTLY what Ford did. They investigated the fires, identified the source and recalled the 18 affected vehicles. No conspiracy, nothing hidden. So actually WELL DONE FORD for a thorough investigation and appropriate action.
Ford recalls over a dozen F-150 Lightnings after battery fire, will restart production Monday - The Verge
Even better: The fire incident involving Ford's EV truck happened on Feb. 4, during a pre-delivery quality inspection at its Dearborn, Michigan plant, causing the company to halt production the next day.
This is such a non-story that you are trying to make something big out of
