GM is pulling back on EVs

[sk47]

Hello; Another observation. Correct me if i am mistaken. Near as i can tell, among the few champions for EV's posting on here none actually have a battery only EV.
That ought to be a clue as to the value of having an EV. I also assume some of these champions can well afford the extra cost or am i mistaken about that.

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[Gregs24]

People can read. They know.

Read what? Easy to sling around accusations but nothing to back it up. What did I say that was wrong?

 

[Gregs24]

Lmfao.
If you can be arrested for having a medical procedure, performed, you don’t live in a free country.
See how easily I can change the metric of what freedom is?
Actually, let’s change the metric again.…

If you can be arrested for paying/charging for sex, you don’t live in a free country.

Want me to keep going or are you willing to concede that there are plenty of countries that have more/different freedoms than the US.

Yes, I understand that you hold freedom of speech near and dear. Maybe that’s not the metric for other people though? Maybe some people don’t mind if extremists are locked up for their dangerous views, as long as they retain abortion rights (and bodily autonomy as an extension of that) and can shag hookers whilst taking whatever drugs they choose.
Maybe those people think you live in some kind of backwater anti-freedom society?

You wrote exactly what I was thinking. I wouldn't swap the supposed freedoms of the US for the UK any day.

Sadly there is a certain demographic in the US that just want to say what they like, insult who they like, and hide behind their 'freedoms'. What they actually do is deny others their freedoms by their behaviour.

 

[key01]

Muh environment. I believe this is a British owned newspaper.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/24/us-electric-vehicles-lithium-consequences-research

Yes the Guardian is owned by the Scott Group a British company. Nonetheless their coverage of worthy topics is often quite thorough. Lithium is an issue for sure, so there needs to be alternative power sources. The increase in public transit in urban areas is vital and the reduction in car ownership or smaller range ( less lithium battery capacity) is important. I realize that rural areas will always be car dependent and not much can fix that. I’m still convinced that we will see full automation in cars that will allow a user to simply call up a car at any time to be driven wherever they want to go, making car ownership unnecessary. There are so many delivery services available now from all retailers and Uber to get around that my wife and I hardly use our cars. I do a lot of work around this 120 year old home and have all of my construction supplies delivered from Home Depot or whoever. I thought I would get a small pickup, but have now decided that would be foolish. So, improving the public system of moving people and goods is key to reducing all cars on the road and mining precious resources.

 

[Gregs24]

Yes the Guardian is owned by the Scott Group a British company. Nonetheless their coverage of worthy topics is often quite thorough. Lithium is an issue for sure, so there needs to be alternative power sources. The increase in public transit in urban areas is vital and the reduction in car ownership or smaller range ( less lithium battery capacity) is important. I realize that rural areas will always be car dependent and not much can fix that. I’m still convinced that we will see full automation in cars that will allow a user to simply call up a car at any time to be driven wherever they want to go, making car ownership unnecessary. There are so many delivery services available now from all retailers and Uber to get around that my wife and I hardly use our cars. I do a lot of work around this 120 year old home and have all of my construction supplies delivered from Home Depot or whoever. I thought I would get a small pickup, but have now decided that would be foolish. So, improving the public system of moving people and goods is key to reducing all cars on the road and mining precious resources.

The promise of batteries that come from trees - BBC Future

An interesting development

Battery technology has moved on a huge amount in the last 10 years. It would be ludicrous to think the same will not happen in the next 10, and the following 10.....

 

[key01]

The promise of batteries that come from trees - BBC Future

An interesting development

Battery technology has moved on a huge amount in the last 10 years. It would be ludicrous to think the same will not happen in the next 10, and the following 10.....

Yes, I’ve seen that article referencing what is essentially a waste product put to use. We have electric and hydrogen busses here and several all electric Amazon delivery trucks zipping around. All good stuff.

 

[sk47]

The promise of batteries that come from trees - BBC Future

An interesting development

Battery technology has moved on a huge amount in the last 10 years. It would be ludicrous to think the same will not happen in the next 10, and the following 10.....

Hello; I also figure the tech of EV's, solar, and the like will move on in the years to come. How personal computers have changed since my first one in the 1990's could be an example of how much things may change.

Fact is for me that first computer wound up in a closet after a while. Same for the next ones and the next. In fact every computer I have owned wound up being essentially obsolete and a throw away.

My point being this anticipated obsolescence is both a promising thing and a detriment at the same time. Promising in that it may be possible for EV batteries to be much improved over time. A detriment in that any who buy current model EV's may wind up left behind. My first computer back in 1993 was about $2,000 and had a mere fraction of my current laptops power and memory I got for less than $500.

I previously told the story of a college student renting a house nearby. Her hybrid Ford no longer charged the battery pack. She could not get it fixed. Seems the electronic component which failed was a common failure, so all the replacement units were long gone. Ford had moved on with the tech with no retrofits. She could still drive on the ICE.

 

[sk47]

Yes the Guardian is owned by the Scott Group a British company. Nonetheless their coverage of worthy topics is often quite thorough. Lithium is an issue for sure, so there needs to be alternative power sources. The increase in public transit in urban areas is vital and the reduction in car ownership or smaller range ( less lithium battery capacity) is important. I realize that rural areas will always be car dependent and not much can fix that. I’m still convinced that we will see full automation in cars that will allow a user to simply call up a car at any time to be driven wherever they want to go, making car ownership unnecessary. There are so many delivery services available now from all retailers and Uber to get around that my wife and I hardly use our cars. I do a lot of work around this 120 year old home and have all of my construction supplies delivered from Home Depot or whoever. I thought I would get a small pickup, but have now decided that would be foolish. So, improving the public system of moving people and goods is key to reducing all cars on the road and mining precious resources.

Hello; One of my first jobs when a teen was as an usher in a walk in movie theater. I make the distinction as there were still drive-in theaters common at the time. Aside from collecting tickets at the door, carrying film to the projection booth, stoking the furnace in winter, and showing people to their seats I also had to clean the toilets.
My experience with most public shared use things is they wind up really nasty. My picture of an automated car service envisions a really nasty environment before long. The general public does not take care of such things.
I lately watch a TV show CAR WARS. It is various videos of mostly car wrecks. One was of an UBER (sp) driver who picked up some folks from a bar. They were all loaded (drunk). Turned out the car could not hold them all so one guy was left behind. At the destination one woman refused to get out of the car and insisted the driver go back for the guy. The driver told her she was already booked for another location. Driver asked the passenger to leave the car many times. Passenger threw greasy hamburger on the driver and a large drink of some sort. Really messed up the drivers car and her clothes.

EDIT - left out the point about how nasty the toilets became in the theater. It was often awful. No clue as to why but the women's was nearly always the worse. I have wondered about that for decades. I have no further data since i have not had to be in women's toilets since 1963.

 

[key01]

Hello; One of my first jobs when a teen was as an usher in a walk in movie theater. I make the distinction as there were still drive-in theaters common at the time. Aside from collecting tickets at the door, carrying film to the projection booth, stoking the furnace in winter, and showing people to their seats I also had to clean the toilets.
My experience with most public shared use things is they wind up really nasty. My picture of an automated car service envisions a really nasty environment before long. The general public does not take care of such things.
I lately watch a TV show CAR WARS. It is various videos of mostly car wrecks. One was of an UBER (sp) driver who picked up some folks from a bar. They were all loaded (drunk). Turned out the car could not hold them all so one guy was left behind. At the destination one woman refused to get out of the car and insisted the driver go back for the guy. The driver told her she was already booked for another location. Driver asked the passenger to leave the car many times. Passenger threw greasy hamburger on the driver and a large drink of some sort. Really messed up the drivers car and her clothes.

EDIT - left out the point about how nasty the toilets became in the theater. It was often awful. No clue as to why but the women's was nearly always the worse. I have wondered about that for decades. I have no further data since i have not had to be in women's toilets since 1963.

You deserve a special commendation for cleaning public toilets in your early years. That is indeed a nasty job. Yes, the sanitation thing has been an issue with any kind of high use public transportation. I rode the Metra train for decades to my office downtown. I complained numerous times about the condition of the train cars. I would see the same trash in the same places for days at a time. In general, people are considerate, but there are those who could care less and trash everything.

 

[Gregs24]

You deserve a special commendation for cleaning public toilets in your early years. That is indeed a nasty job. Yes, the sanitation thing has been an issue with any kind of high use public transportation. I rode the Metra train for decades to my office downtown. I complained numerous times about the condition of the train cars. I would see the same trash in the same places for days at a time. In general, people are considerate, but there are those who could care less and trash everything.

It doesn't have to be. Take Japan as an example where public transport is fast, efficient, safe and very very clean

 

[AZlb5.0]

It doesn't have to be. Take Japan as an example where public transport is fast, efficient, safe and very very clean

You’re comparing Japan with America another tiny country comparatively to the US. I don’t think that many of you really can grasp the size of our population, and the vast distances even within cities especially out west like Mew Mexico and Arizona and California who hasn’t even finished their tram system.

 

[Gregs24]

You’re comparing Japan with America another tiny country comparatively to the US. I don’t think that many of you really can grasp the size of our population, and the vast distances even within cities especially out west like Mew Mexico and Arizona and California who hasn’t even finished their tram system.

Nothing to do with the size of the country at all! Down to the behaviour and attitude of the residents regarding cleanliness and safety and the investment in infrastructure per capita on how well the system works.

Hey, if you want to use 'we're a big country so everything is poor and half built' then crack on

 

[key01]

Here we go again. This thread travels sideways worse than my dog.

 

[sk47]

Nothing to do with the size of the country at all! Down to the behaviour and attitude of the residents regarding cleanliness and safety and the investment in infrastructure per capita on how well the system works.

Hey, if you want to use 'we're a big country so everything is poor and half built' then crack on

Hello; you actually answered clearly in the first paragraph for the most part. The Japanese do have a known culture of their own. Been that way for a long time. I do not know about investment per capita part with regard to how clean a public toilet may be.

Then you had to throw in a spoiler comment. The guy from Australia also throws in digs at outher countries, or is it just USA like you???

 

[sk47]

Here we go again. This thread travels sideways worse than my dog.

Hello; Yeah I get it. I threw out a few observations about who the current EV's will not work well for and not a peep so far.

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