Ford Racing cams

[dragonacc]

Unfortunately the upcoming Ford Racing Cams for the EcoBoost will NOT work with the factory pistons. Swapping these out will require much more of a commitment then a few hours on the weekend and a tune.

I'm not saying you are wrong but this is directly from their website -

Cams will work with stock pistons
No valve spring change is required

:shrug:

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[DWC_SmOziLLa]

Why would they not work with the factory pistons?

I'm not saying you are wrong but this is directly from their website -

Cams will work with stock pistons
No valve spring change is required

:shrug:

Derp, I read that entirely wrong. My bad fellas...lol:headbonk:

 

[RubyRed15]

Thanks for not turning that little misunderstanding into a ten-page derpfest, guys.

 

[wildsailor]

Not sure what you are talking about, but the Mustang EB uses the HPFP from the 3.5L F150 EB.

The Ford GT that is going racing next year has a 3.5L EB that has modifications to make it a high revving engine. At this point I am not even sure it is the same basic engine as found in the F150 or not. So the thought is that if there are modifications to allow the pump to cycle at high RPM then there may be a potential use in the 2.3L to allow a higher RPM redline. That's all....

 

[dragonacc]

The Ford GT that is going racing next year has a 3.5L EB that has modifications to make it a high revving engine. At this point I am not even sure it is the same basic engine as found in the F150 or not. So the thought is that if there are modifications to allow the pump to cycle at high RPM then there may be a potential use in the 2.3L to allow a higher RPM redline. That's all....

Ah, ok, got it. I wasn't thinking. You said Ford GT and I was thinking Mustang GT. Anyway, according the Full-Race the engine is based off the F150 engine, it's also using a dual injection setup (DI and Port Injection). Not sure if the HPFP will be an upgrade compared to ours, but I guess we'll see.

 

[MAPerformance]

Not sure what you are talking about, but the Mustang EB uses the HPFP from the 3.5L F150 EB.

This is not correct, I have a F150 3.5L EB HPFP here and it is not the same.

Unfortunately the upcoming Ford Racing Cams for the EcoBoost will NOT work with the factory pistons. Swapping these out will require much more of a commitment then a few hours on the weekend and a tune.

I thought you were crazy for a second, but I saw you posted that you read it wrong haha.

Thanks for not turning that little misunderstanding into a ten-page derpfest, guys.

Holy christ, exactly haha.

The Ford GT that is going racing next year has a 3.5L EB that has modifications to make it a high revving engine. At this point I am not even sure it is the same basic engine as found in the F150 or not. So the thought is that if there are modifications to allow the pump to cycle at high RPM then there may be a potential use in the 2.3L to allow a higher RPM redline. That's all....

Not going to be the same unfortunately :(.

Ah, ok, got it. I wasn't thinking. You said Ford GT and I was thinking Mustang GT. Anyway, according the Full-Race the engine is based off the F150 engine, it's also using a dual injection setup (DI and Port Injection). Not sure if the HPFP will be an upgrade compared to ours, but I guess we'll see.

Exactly, the engine will be different than anything Ford has on the market right now and the HPFP is going to be driven differently than how the 2.3/2.7/3.5 are being driven now.

All we can do is wait, and test when the time comes and see if it is indeed going to be a weak link for the engine.

 

[dragonacc]

This is not correct, I have a F150 3.5L EB HPFP here and it is not the same.

Learn something new everyday. I haven't seen them side by side. I know I read an article that stated the prototype 2.3 EB was using the F150 pump. I assumed they were the same since they also have the same part number.

 

[Biffosaur]

Learn something new everyday. I haven't seen them side by side. I know I read an article that stated the prototype 2.3 EB was using the F150 pump. I assumed they were the same since they also have the same part number.

If they have the same part number then either they are the the same or someone here screwed up big time addle:

 

[MAPerformance]

Definitely not the same part number. The local Ford dealer gave us two different part numbers, and they are physically different!

 

[dragonacc]

Definitely not the same part number. The local Ford dealer gave us two different part numbers, and they are physically different!

My fault then. I was just checking the part numbers on fordparts.com and they are the same. But they don't list the prefix part of the number.

If anyone is wondering where I got the info about the F150 pump from it was here -

http://www.full-race.com/articles/Mustang-EcoBoost-SingleScroll-Vs-Twinscroll.php

EDIT: I'm not trying to argue btw. I accept that I was wrong.

 

[MAPerformance]

My fault then. I was just checking the part numbers on fordparts.com and they are the same. But they don't list the prefix part of the number.

If anyone is wondering where I got the info about the F150 pump from it was here -

http://www.full-race.com/articles/Mustang-EcoBoost-SingleScroll-Vs-Twinscroll.php

EDIT: I'm not trying to argue btw. I accept that I was wrong.

I know you aren't, I was just giving you a heads up. That link is working with the 2.0L Classic engine that was never released here in the USA. They were doing prototype work and it never came about.

 

[Impulsed7]

The Ford GT engine is out of the Daytona Prototypes, thats how they've been testing the (close to the same) chassis and engine (with added restrictors) for years, just hiding it away. I bet the fuel pump would be fairly different from anything we could use.
Call up roush racing (I think they build them) and see if you can order one to test $$$$$$$

 

[Full-Race Geoff]

great to see Ford put them online. to set the record straight here:

-these cams are upgrades over stock, but still quite small compared to most aftermarket cams for other engines.
-There absolutely will be gains in power due to the 0.4mm/4deg and 1.1mm/16deg increase in lift and duration - this is a very conservative cam upgrade
-the short valvespring height combined with soft spring rate are limiting us from going bigger (without changing valvetrain components)
-each ecoboost engine uses a unique HPFP. none are compatible with each other at this time

The Ford GT engine is out of the Daytona Prototypes, thats how they've been testing the (close to the same) chassis and engine (with added restrictors) for years, just hiding it away. I bet the fuel pump would be fairly different from anything we could use.
Call up roush racing (I think they build them) and see if you can order one to test $$$$$$$

the Daytona Prototypes and LMP race cars all use a Roush Yates engine based on the 3.5L in the SHO/Flex/Explorer. These engines use E98 and dual HPFP driven by dual cams. it requires approx $7k in machining work to the passenger side head to suit this, hence the reason it was never offered to the aftermarket.

This is not the same as an 3.5L f150 engine which is used on the new ford GT. that is next gen..

 

[Full-Race Geoff]

Holy crap...when I read it I automatically assumed 240 at .050"...total?!?!

:lol: LOL, dave @ headgames said the same thing word for word. ill see if i can post the cam card

 

[MAPerformance]

Me and Geoff are on the same page regarding these camshafts, they are definitely weak comparing to other vehicles we have worked with in the past. There will be gains, but I still believe fairly minimal.

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