echoboost engine

[Maggneto]

doesn't matter what you think, no one wants the Spain build version 1, if you get one well you knew you taking a gamble buying first year model car which shouldn't be a big deal if you don't mod and keep warranty. The evidence is clear, much more than normal blown motors are Valencia vs Clevelands that's enough evidence for most people.

To add on this, even if there is no hard concrete facts behind the claim, does not mean it is not true. Figure most people on this forum mod their cars, and 90% of the blown motors in the ecoboost section were modified early 2015's. Sure there are some that are fine...for now. Even later builds can blow up but there isnt nearly as many as the early builds. Dont try to defend the spanish motors. Its evident that they have a higher chance to blow once modified. Doesnt mean they will, but the risk is greater.

Evidence? What a noob. Tuners revised their programs based on failures, Ford didn't revise the engine manufacturing process. Valencia still builds all 2.0 Ecoboosts for Europe correct, and was building Ecoboost engines before the 2.3 came along.

Where is the physical evidence from all the engine builders? You have got to be kidding me with the bullshit.

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[lizardrko]

Evidence? What a noob. Tuners revised their programs based on failures, Ford didn't revise the engine manufacturing process. Valencia still builds all 2.0 Ecoboosts for Europe correct, and was building Ecoboost engines before the 2.3 came along.

Where is the physical evidence from all the engine builders? You have got to be kidding me with the bullshit.

You can have all the fancy software in the world, but it still cannot fix faulty hardware. I believe Tune+ or another tuner a while back actually found that they changed part numbers on the rods (the components that were the cause of the failures) when they moved manufacturing to the US. And just because they have been building engines there in the past does not mean they are immune to have some bugs. That claim is buried in this forum somewhere. And to ur claim that "they have built these motors before", Samsung made plenty of batteries before the note 7 and look what happened. Of course Ford is not actually going to admit anything, that would mean a recall on every spain built motor.

 

[DavidHuff]

doesn't matter what you think, no one wants the Spain build version 1, if you get one well you knew you taking a gamble buying first year model car which shouldn't be a big deal if you don't mod and keep warranty. The evidence is clear, much more than normal blown motors are Valencia vs Clevelands that's enough evidence for most people.

All BS information and you know it!Do you want me to post some proof on how good the 2015 ecoboost motor is or do you want to do your own research?

 

[LuckyJerk]

All BS information and you know it!Do you want me to post some proof on how good the 2015 ecoboost motor is or do you want to do your own research?

Post! Post! Post! lol
Because most people wont do the searching!

 

[Maggneto]

You can have all the fancy software in the world, but it still cannot fix faulty hardware. I believe Tune+ or another tuner a while back actually found that they changed part numbers on the rods (the components that were the cause of the failures) when they moved manufacturing to the US. And just because they have been building engines there in the past does not mean they are immune to have some bugs. That claim is buried in this forum somewhere. And to ur claim that "they have built these motors before", Samsung made plenty of batteries before the note 7 and look what happened. Of course Ford is not actually going to admit anything, that would mean a recall on every spain built motor.

The defective part in the Spanish built motors are the rods because they have different part numbers and some tuner, yes Adam uncovered the defect. How wonderful.:headbonk:

That is a very low threshold of proof of a defect that is causing catastrophic engine failure. So please tell us what is defective about the rods so we can explain it to Ford engineering and get all the defective Spanish engines fixed before they explode.

 

[lizardrko]

The defective part in the Spanish built motors are the rods because they have different part numbers and some tuner, yes Adam uncovered the defect. How wonderful.:headbonk:

That is a very low threshold of proof of a defect that is causing catastrophic engine failure. So please tell us what is defective about the rods so we can explain it to Ford engineering and get all the defective Spanish engines fixed before they explode.

No comment, no amount of common sense flows through you. They closed ur other post for a reason, nothing was getting accomplished. Good day, have a beer and enjoy the weekend :cheers:

 

[Regs]

No comment, no amount of common sense flows through you. They closed ur other post for a reason, nothing was getting accomplished. Good day, have a beer and enjoy the weekend :cheers:

Common sense? If I was a ford engineer and you told me that you were unhappy that an aluminum block 4 cylinder was only pushing 370 lbs ft torque and you tried to push it more and got eco-boomed, I would tell you to kiss my ass.

I would laugh my ass off of your lack of it when your 4banger and all of its common sense is spilling its guts out on the road.

 

[Memphis-EcoStang]

Post #12 has some info that might help clarify matters- http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80015

 

[lizardrko]

Common sense? If I was a ford engineer and you told me that you were unhappy that an aluminum block 4 cylinder was only pushing 370 lbs ft torque and you tried to push it more and got eco-boomed, I would tell you to kiss my ass.

I would laugh my ass off of your lack of it when your 4banger and all of its common sense is spilling its guts out on the road.

What does this have to do with Valencia vs Cleveland builds?:doh:

 

[solodogg]

Post #12 has some info that might help clarify matters- http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80015

Post 12 states changes that were made, not anything that was proven to be defective. Find any engine across any manufacturer that has been produced for more than 1 model year that didn't have a part number change, I'll wait...

Parts are updated all the time. Simple part number changes could be something as simple as sourcing the parts from another supplier, another production line for the same supplier, a minute change made in order to decrease costs, whatever.

With the number of EB's running around Hertz/Avis/etc, you can bet your ass that if there was a serious issue with engines popping it would have been a TSB at a minimum by this point.

I'm still waiting for a 100% stock 6R80 equipped EB to pop up with a blown engine...opcorn:

 

[jcart953]

Post 12 states changes that were made, not anything that was proven to be defective. Find any engine across any manufacturer that has been produced for more than 1 model year that didn't have a part number change, I'll wait...

Parts are updated all the time. Simple part number changes could be something as simple as sourcing the parts from another supplier, another production line for the same supplier, a minute change made in order to decrease costs, whatever.

With the number of EB's running around Hertz/Avis/etc, you can bet your ass that if there was a serious issue with engines popping it would have been a TSB at a minimum by this point.

I'm still waiting for a 100% stock 6R80 equipped EB to pop up with a blown engine...opcorn:

It actually states more then that but people keep cherry picking 1 thing. Anyways my crystal ball tells me this thread will be locked soon.

 

[Apwrx]

To add on this, even if there is no hard concrete facts behind the claim, does not mean it is not true. Figure most people on this forum mod their cars, and 90% of the blown motors in the ecoboost section were modified early 2015's. Sure there are some that are fine...for now. Even later builds can blow up but there isnt nearly as many as the early builds. Dont try to defend the spanish motors. Its evident that they have a higher chance to blow once modified. Doesnt mean they will, but the risk is greater.

That couldn't possibly be to the fact that new tuning strategies were being figured out and they've been out longer. Of course there have been more failures. Same reason the majority of high mileage modded cars are also 2015's there are quite a few.
Hold on to your hat cause blown Cleveland motors are starting to surface as well, and they'll keep adding up. Nothing has been changed between the two that would make any difference in strength or longevity.

 

[Maggneto]

No comment, no amount of common sense flows through you. They closed ur other post for a reason, nothing was getting accomplished. Good day, have a beer and enjoy the weekend :cheers:

You go around spreading rumors about the Spanish engines and when pressed for evidence you come back with no comment, and insult my intelligence? That sure does support your theory that Spanish engines are defective.

I can't think of a more important topic to discuss than one that potentially impacts 40k Mustang owners but because a bunch of Adam minions complain they lock my thread because it wasn't going anywhere?

What about the 40k Mustang Valencia owners, I guess they don't count right? Great job M6G.

 

[DansEBM]

Look up, my ecoboost blew up !!! on YouTube , 2016, light mods and tune, not sure who tuned it, had 16000 mi on it, blew driving 40-50.

 

[Apwrx]

Cleveland and Spain built are no better or worse for longevity.Whats Interesting is no other tuners with fast high horsepower cars are claiming anything.
With Either motor you should just do a rod piston swap if you're pushing it hard. 11-1,300 in parts for a forged bottom end. Build now or blow later, Cleveland or Spain built doesn't matter one bit

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