E85 flex fuel calibration picks up almost 50whp

[cactus_kid]

FWIW, I have this setup. Truly a gas ........ (pun intended ........ ) Tip in at speed in 6th is vastly improved as in all the other gears. Best bang for the buck w/o major mechanical changes.

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[cactus_kid]

Just got back from a rapid run to the Grand Canyon. No hiccups. Even on 90 oct which is all that is available in the TX panhandle.

 

[Cypherious]

Just wanted to show you guys what we have done with these cars to make a big difference in a tune only format!

Do I have to buy the Livernois device or can you provide a tune using a device I already have, ie. SCT, nGauge, etc.

 

[cactus_kid]

They will take your old N gauge in trade and issue a credit against the new equipment.

 

[Cypherious]

They will take your old N gauge in trade and issue a credit against the new equipment.

Bummer. I have a 93 Octane tune from Lund I really like. Would hate to get rid of that one if it means replacing the device.

 

[CobraCommander]

Bummer. I have a 93 Octane tune from Lund I really like. Would hate to get rid of that one if it means replacing the device.

Or you could just have Lund do an E85 tune for you.

 

[Cypherious]

Or you could just have Lund do an E85 tune for you.

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[D K]

Does your tune come with an E85 sensor?

Just wanted to show you guys what we have done with these cars to make a big difference in a tune only format!

 

[CobraCommander]

Does your tune come with an E85 sensor?

No, the stock computer will not support a true Flex Fuel Sensor like GM vehicles do and have from the factory.

These calibrations from all the tuning companies use the wideband O2 sensors that are on the car from the factory to sense the ethanol content that is present in the exhaust and based upon that ratio it adjusts accordingly. It is not a true Flex Fuel system.

 

[D K]

Wideband O2 sensor cannot sense the amount of alcohol....

only thing it can do is measure the oxygen level, so that means that all the flex fuel tune does is advance the timing until it detects knock and then back it off.

Im curious why the ethanol analyzer is so difficult to incorporate?

Does the ecu not have an available input? Its just 0-5v signal that is linear according to the amount of ethanol.

No, the stock computer will not support a true Flex Fuel Sensor like GM vehicles do and have from the factory.

These calibrations from all the tuning companies use the wideband O2 sensors that are on the car from the factory to sense the ethanol content that is present in the exhaust and based upon that ratio it adjusts accordingly. It is not a true Flex Fuel system.

 

[CobraCommander]

Wideband O2 sensor cannot sense the amount of alcohol....

only thing it can do is measure the oxygen level, so that means that all the flex fuel tune does is advance the timing until it detects knock and then back it off.

Im curious why the ethanol analyzer is so difficult to incorporate?

Does the ecu not have an available input? Its just 0-5v signal that is linear according to the amount of ethanol.

It is sensing it in the way of Lambda reading and making the appropriate adjustments.

Ford has been well behind GM on Flex Fuel technology for a long, long time.

It's not difficult to incorporate from a technology standpoint. It's the cost of doing that to their entire product line that is the problem. You can do it to any of these vehicles, it's just you can't do it and maintain a stock computer system as there is nothing there to monitor or adjust to it in the factory systems from Ford.

 

[D K]

A super easy fix would be to find a 0-5v input.
Is that possible? Maybe you can get rid or cruise control or somehting...?

I know a lot of people who have had issues with the O2 sensor calibrating the tune.


It might work if you want to run one or the other - either full gas or full E85, but in order to do it properly and vary it to infinite degree - you need an ethanol sensor.

It is sensing it in the way of Lambda reading and making the appropriate adjustments.

Ford has been well behind GM on Flex Fuel technology for a long, long time.

It's not difficult to incorporate from a technology standpoint. It's the cost of doing that to their entire product line that is the problem. You can do it to any of these vehicles, it's just you can't do it and maintain a stock computer system as there is nothing there to monitor or adjust to it in the factory systems from Ford.

 

[G_Rock]

Is this product still supported by Livernois? I can't even find it on their website anymore.

 

[carguy929]

Is this product still supported by Livernois? I can't even find it on their website anymore.

I just received my handheld and sent my info over. So yes

 

[G_Rock]

I just received my handheld and sent my info over. So yes

I just hadn't seen any talk about it in a while. I got mine last year and after a few tanks of e85, it didn't want to cold start anymore. When I went back to 93 on the same tune, the issue went away.

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