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And I'm pretty sure Adam stated earlier that the focus St stock downpipe gains more power than after market..... So ask him I'm sure he has plenty of data and numbers and has the facts. Like I said a million replies ago, I tend to just agree with him
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so if nothing is wrong with your car this should be the same for all cars then no? When we are talking stock exhaust vs aftermarket.
Not necessarily. Here's an interesting article, http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/hrdp-1011-cams-for-turbocharged-engines/, that talks about how cam timing and back pressure can effect each other. I don't know enough about the VVT in the EBM engine to say that that is the case here, but Adam's post hints at it. I'm hoping he'll jump in here with more info. I'm interested in this because it might help me decide whether or not I eventually get a downpipe and/or an aftermarket exhaust, and what kinds to get if I do.
 

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Not necessarily. Here's an interesting article, http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/hrdp-1011-cams-for-turbocharged-engines/, that talks about how cam timing and back pressure can effect each other. I don't know enough about the VVT in the EBM engine to say that that is the case here, but Adam's post hints at it. I'm hoping he'll jump in here with more info. I'm interested in this because it might help me decide whether or not I eventually get a downpipe and/or an aftermarket exhaust, and what kinds to get if I do.

I was referring to only his car making more power with stock muffler/exhaust (even though he doesnt have proof of this).... I mean if this was the case no one would be running any kind of exhaust at all on these cars.
 
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I think for now I'll just research all this information and then decide later whether or not I'll do a downpipe or just a catback.


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Just listen to slow, he makes a new thread every day since joining. He MUST be right.
 

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That's not true, and every system is different, plus some people like the sound and weight savings..... Two completley different things. Did u think of that slow?
 
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Just listen to slow, he makes a new thread every day since joining. He MUST be right.

Haven't been on my PC much, can't really see that info.

I'll just say this. The EB mustang is not the same as an SRT-4. Whatever worked on your SRT-4 may or may not work on an EB Mustang. Let's just leave it at that.

With that out of the way, let's get back to the original topic.


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Just listen to slow, he makes a new thread every day since joining. He MUST be right.

New to EB so yes i ask alot of questions, only reason ive learned so much :thumbsup:

But if u must know..... I've owned the fastest stock turbo in california on a srt4 (might be the country) not sure not into them all that much anymore. Went 7.8 @ 90 in the 1/8th on my tune and bolt ons. Owned a dart block turbo'd fox, a s-trim fox, a couple other ones here and there. Now own an N/A fox that should go mid to low 11s on cast iron gt40 heads (not an easy task if you know anything about mustangs) on the unit should go deep into the 10's. And that fox isnt a race car, can and have driven it to work which is a 100 mile trip with good old Orange county and LA bumper to bumper traffic. Got the EB because i got the car for 27 out the door brand new so couldnt pass it up. Oh and most the guys i run with out here in SoCal have some of the fastest coyotes, cobras and just about any other type of mustang u can think of on the west coast. Street racer here, so we all have our own little secrets. So now that you know a little about me how about you treat us to your mustang history :ford:


Oh and all of my cars except the EB have been stick so rowing gears is what i do. So if you still need some help getting that manual down the track let me know. P.S. go to a smaller tire before you switch gears ;)
 

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Haven't been on my PC much, can't really see that info.

I'll just say this. The EB mustang is not the same as an SRT-4. Whatever worked on your SRT-4 may or may not work on an EB Mustang. Let's just leave it at that.

With that out of the way, let's get back to the original topic.


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You are most definitely right, two different animals... But both have smaller than normal turbos, the srt has an even smaller dsm turbo than than the EB. EB is a 2.3 while the srt4 is a 2.4. Of course valvetrain is most likely different. But I've never seen a turbo car lose power due to an exhaust being too big if tuned correctly. Not saying no one here can tune because of course their numbers speak for themselves. But if i read correctly they still havent fully crack the coding on our computers.
 

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Mustangs, well, a fox and a new edge. Both part of the slowest of my list of 30. Not here to bore with my life story. My friends have fast cars too. Wow. I agree with slow on the thought process of no restriction after the turbo. All the "big guys" @ YB run 3-4" pipes under the car or out the fender. But, when others with more knowledge and proof talk, I listen.
 

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I was referring to only his car making more power with stock muffler/exhaust (even though he doesnt have proof of this).... I mean if this was the case no one would be running any kind of exhaust at all on these cars.
Ah, OK. I thought you were talking about all turbocharged cars. What I'm taking away from this discussion is that exhaust systems are more complex than I thought, and that there's a tighter coupling between engine design and exhaust design than I thought as well. Does anyone know if the VVT is controlled by the ECM? Can a tuner adjust the cam phasing? I always thought that for forced induction, the more open and free-flowing the exhaust was the better. Now I'm not so sure. I'm definitely going to need proof now from downpipe and exhaust manufacturers that their products work before I purchase; not only work with the engine, but also work with other exhaust components.
 

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VVT is ecm controlled, and if the tuner can do it (not sure on the hardware/software side here, but other makes do it.) it should be easily adjustable. Not to many people like to mess with VVT, but those that are experienced can hack it.
 

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I gotta read this again, I thought someone disputed the claim by Adam that the stock Cat pipe actually makes more power than going catless, unless I just read that wrong

How would a High Flow Cat affect things, because I noticed with my audi a power increase especially when paired with a tune

Figure I'd go with Hooker: http://www.makperformance.com/2015-Mustang-Ecoboost-23L-Hooker-Blackheart-3in-Downpipe-_p_460.html, only question I really have besides the who makes power vs doesn't is would it throw a CEL while the car is stock or no
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