Digital Dash - Oil Temperature?

[opengl]

mine is a non-PP with digital cluster and i don't have oil temp or diff/trans temp readings. Can these be enabled through Forscan ? I'm assuming the sensors and wiring might be missing for the non-PP cars

If your cluster doesn't have oil temp as an option, then you're running a newer firmware where Ford removed it for unknown reasons. Can't be enabled with forscan.

Manuals don't have trans temp sensors so that's not available for you either.

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[krishelnino]

If your cluster doesn't have oil temp as an option, then you're running a newer firmware where Ford removed it for unknown reasons. Can't be enabled with forscan.

Manuals don't have trans temp sensors so that's not available for you either.

thanks for the info, well that sucks...

 

[OLdchuck]

It would seem that all GT's would have the capacity for an oil temp gauge. I believe with the PP!&PP2 cars you can put a GT350 Oil Temp gauge in place of the boost gauge and it is plug and play. Given that it is plug and play I would have thought all GT's have the same firmware. There has been an active thread on the Oil Temp gauge and had received numerous posts a week or so ago and most agreed that the Oil Temp gauge was available on all GT's that are not exports.
Again, I am just referring to a previous thread and do know know for sure..

 

[opengl]

It would seem that all GT's would have the capacity for an oil temp gauge. I believe with the PP!&PP2 cars you can put a GT350 Oil Temp gauge in place of the boost gauge and it is plug and play. Given that it is plug and play I would have thought all GT's have the same firmware. There has been an active thread on the Oil Temp gauge and had received numerous posts a week or so ago and most agreed that the Oil Temp gauge was available on all GT's that are not exports.
Again, I am just referring to a previous thread and do know know for sure..

Correct, the data PID is there (inferred oil temperature) for the GT350 gauge to display. And the base analog gauges can display oil temp in the center LCD. It's just that the option was removed in the later revisions of the digital cluster firmware (not the car's/ECU firmware) for some reason.

 

[krishelnino]

Correct, the data PID is there (inferred oil temperature) for the GT350 gauge to display. And the base analog gauges can display oil temp in the center LCD. It's just that the option was removed in the later revisions of the digital cluster firmware (not the car's/ECU firmware) for some reason.

Thanks for the info. If the PID is there, I think i should be able to view it through NGuage. The NGuage also has the differential temp reading, though it doesn't work since mine is a non PP. I'm upgrading to the 3.73 Torsen diff so is there a way i could make it work?

 

[Elp_jc]

Can these be enabled through Forscan? I'm assuming the sensors and wiring might be missing for the non-PP cars

I tried FORscan, and I can confirm nothing worked. Not even getting a coolant temperature readout, which I at least expected. Oh well. And no, apparently there is not even an oil temperature sensor in our cars, which is crazy. I got the GT350 pod installed a few days ago, and went for a day trip to the mountains today, and it was raising as RPM went up on the highway, which I found hard to believe. The coolant gauge stayed parked in the middle, like most cars do nowadays from about 185 to 235, so impossible to tell if it was warranted or not. But even though it was 105 outside, with the PP1 larger radiator, and less than 3K rpm at 80/100, my guess is oil temp didn't move, like it has been the case on all my other cars equipped with a true oil temp gauge. FORScan only offers oil and trans temperature for the F-150. Might study the changes, and try to guess if there's a coolant temp only change, and see if I can get it. The worst that can happen is it doesn't work (like it didn't work last time), and I just put it back. Without a true oil temperature sensor, I really want to have a digital coolant one. And since the oil is heated/cooled by the coolant, it'd give us a truer picture of what's going on. Today, according to that oil gauge, it got up to about 220-deg, which seems high for the driving I did.

 

[OLdchuck]

JC, I am trying to determine from this and the last thread about an Oil Temp gauge what these cars have and do not have.
I may be missing something but It seems that some have the digital oil temp and some do not. I am OCD about knowing what is going on in the engine and if there is NOT an accurate way of assessing the oil temp then I would look for some other way to obtain an accurate oil temp such as the oil filter adapter plate with an oil temp sensor. Again, I may be missing something but just trying to determine what is obtainable and what is not.

 

[Elp_jc]

NO GTs or Bullitts have an oil temperature gauge, and apparently not even an oil temperature sensor at all. I tried FORScan, so at least with the digital cluster, it's not possible to add it either (removed from the firmware, apparently). So our only choice is the GT350 gauge pod, which Ford is now actively making it hard to get. First they tacked on a $300 core charge, and on top of that, it's back-ordered to the end of days. I was fortunate enough to get a used pristine one for $65 shipped on eBay (courtesy of a forum member here).

To make matters worse, there's apparently also no way to even get the digital coolant temperature displayed, like I did on my ex-F-150. So to directly answer your question: NO, there's no reliable way to know the oil temperature, unfortunately. I was monitoring my new gauge yesterday on the highway, and it was changing with rpm, which is not entirely accurate, at least on the the highway. And yes, the coolant bar gauge stayed parked in the middle, like all cars do between about 185 to 235 deg F.

 

[OLdchuck]

JC, Can you confirm that all the '18-20's PP1&2's have the plug and play for the GT350 gauge?
Given what I am hearing from more knowledgable folks it seems the only real way to get accurate oil temps is to use the Oil filter adapter plate with an oil line sensor to an external car mounted gauge or change to a cast oil pan with a bung for the oil line to a remote gauge. The Oil filter adapter plate is a simple fix but then you have a non factory oil temp gauge mounted in the cab. The new Cast oil pan is a harder fix as I have heard the Coyote oil pan is not an easy on and off and you would still have the issue of a non factory gauge mounted somewhere in the cab.
I hear you as it is indeed frustrating not to have an accurate oil temp on these Cars.

 

[Elp_jc]

I can only guarantee you the GT350 pod worked on my 2019 Bullitt... but for what I've noticed, it should work on at least 2018s and up PP1s indeed. And also that my car has a PLASTIC oil pan, but if you can mount the plate on the oil filter base, it shouldn't matter then. To be honest, I'd bother me to have an obvious aftermarket gauge tacked on somewhere, but that's just the anal me . Fortunately, I won't track my car, so it's not a must-have item. But a little frustrating nonetheless. The main use for the oil gauge for me is to know when the engine is ready to be worked hard if needed. I'm a little suspicious that even that might not be accurate, since it gets to 150F much quicker than any other car so equipped (plus there are TEN quarts in there). And at least my ex-Porsche also had a coolant-to-oil cooler. Oh well.

 

[Zooks527]

JC, Can you confirm that all the '18-20's PP1&2's have the plug and play for the GT350 gauge?

Every Mustang has the plug and play capacity for the GT-350 gauge (FR3Z-10849-E). They also are all compatible with the ecoBoost vac/boost gauge (FR3Z-10849-G) if you decide to go with a supercharger.

White Bear Lake Ford is still not showing a core charge on the FR3Z-10849-E (https://parts.autonationfordwhitebearlake.com/oem-parts/ford-instrument-cluster-fr3z10849e), although it may not be in stock which would make it a moot point. FWIW, they didn't charge me a core charge when I bought the one for my 2019 PP1 GT about six weeks ago.

 

[OLdchuck]

JC,
Thanks for the information. Yeah, it would bother me as well to have an aftermarket gauge in the cockpit but I am a tad OCD as well. I am also with you in that I depend on the Oil temp to let me know when to get more aggressive.
No telling what the future will bring as it seems actual accurate instruments in cars is getting more rare. Most gauges just stick in the middle until the overheat light come on. I agree with you on the P cars but then everything is built to a price point. That is why I am trying to learn as much as I can about what I can and can not expect prior to making a move to the Mustang.

Zook, thanks on the info on the gauge. Good to know..

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