Decisions...Decisions...Decisions!

[AGM2018]

This should tell you everything you need to know in your decision making. The 03GT runs comparable (if not faster) times than the EB. If you consider the 03GT slow, then you are then admitting the EB is slow...and therefore you have already made your decision.

Millhouse,

Thanks for your input. The 03GT's' (if you believe the auto mags numbers) were as you said, comparable to the 18 EB's. The 0-60 time was around 6 seconds for an automatic...and a tenth or two less for the manual. The quarter mile was around 14 for the manual and 14.3 for the automatic, with perhaps one or two at the most, MPH at the end of the quarter than the 18 EB. Both are indeed SLOW compared the 18-19 GT but the EB is without a doubt a better overall car and better day-to-day driver than the 03GT. And if Ford releases a tune for it, it will be faster as well.

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[AGM2018]

Give it a rest... you could have easily said "hey, give MR a try and I'm sure you will like it"... and left it.

Not everyone needs/wants what you or others need/want.

Thank you Jmat...much appreciated my friend. Wrkx, I am not an engineer...but, I have "turned a wrench or two" in my 40+ years, 5 'Stangs, 2 Z cars and one GTO. I understand what MR is, how it functions and what it does...and I have made the decision it isn't, as I believe Norm said, "worth the 1700 to me" because I don't see a need for it on my 'Stang. I thank you for your input nonetheless. Thanks!

 

[AGM2018]

Because there are people who are still suggesting that he get it anyway (and like you say, over his own stated preference not to).


Norm

Thanks Norm...this rounds on me! :cheers:

 

[AGM2018]

I had a 15 non pp GT, now am 18 non pp GT, handling difference is like night and day better with the 18. Look at my post history, it’s littered with handling issues with the 15. Not one complaint with the 18. I have no clue what the difference is but it’s easily noticeable.
Get the GT, 401A, A10 Auto with active exhaust. Skip magnaride. The digital dash is awesome, as are the heated / cooled seats.

Drabon,

Thanks for your input and observations...I agree 100%. The base suspension is the only reason I didn't buy a 2015 GT. I wanted a PP but didn't want a manual. The 18 base suspension, as you said...for whatever reason and however Ford did it...is much improved and easily noticeable. Is it as taut and firm as a PP? No, it isn't; but, it is much improved over the 15-17. So much so that after driving two non PP (one premium and one base) and two PP (both premium's), I decided that the base suspension was taut enough for me to not warrant a 4K up-charge for the PP. I have emailed a dealer with an offer on a GT premium, 10 speed automatic, Enhanced Security Package, 19" Aluminum Wheels, Active Exhaust and 3.55 gears. No 401A but I can make it without the digital dash and heated steering wheel. Car MSRPS for 44,825...I offered $35,900...CASH. We will see what happens...

 

[Maggneto]

MSRP of 45k and you offered 36k? I bet the salesman printed out that email and is using it as toilet paper right about now. Let us know if the dealership accepts your offer and the name of the dealership so I can purchase my next car with a 9k discount as well.

In 3 months you will get around 5k discount with 0 % financing. Take that 40k and buy Ford stock and make 6% interest on your Mustang money.

 

[draph]

Again, this isn't about me.

And I do not care one bit what the OP chooses, I only suggested the OP re-evaluate what he thinks magenride does and is. (see #4 above). Plz follow along.

w3rkn, I'll come to your defense. The OP's REASON for not wanting MRC is because he doesn't track the car or drive spirited. The OP is ASSUMING INCORRECTLY that MRC is for track/sport benefits only, not for the softer ride it provides in normal mode than the standard suspension, yet still firm up in milliseconds when needing to do a quick maneuver.


I agree, for the OP when money is no object, he really should check out PP1 with MRC. I have not driven a PP2 with MRC, but it appears Ford claims or implies that version of MRC may be programmed for more "sport" benefits and less "comfort" benefits, maybe more along the lines of the GT350.

 

[AGM2018]

MSRP of 45k and you offered 36k? I bet the salesman printed out that email and is using it as toilet paper right about now. Let us know if the dealership accepts your offer and the name of the dealership so I can purchase my next car with a 9k discount as well.

In 3 months you will get around 5k discount with 0 % financing. Take that 40k and buy Ford stock and make 6% interest on your Mustang money.

Maggneto,

That might indeed happen...if it does, I haven't lost anything. One never knows an answer to a question or an offer, unless said question is asked. "Silent mouths don't get fed"...ask or forever wonder. The 16 Maxima I own had an MSRP of 37,5XXX....I offered 29,500...and the dealer accepted. Mustangs sell more than Maxima's and the higher end premiums, with options, have more money to be discounted. I am not a car salesman; however, my uncle sold cars for multiple brands (GM, Buick, Chevrolet, Cadillac and Ford) for almost 50 years. He knew the business well and tells everyone, "ask for a ridiculous deal...and have CASH. Dealers like CASH and they may surprise you and accept."

And yes, if Ford offers 0% APR in September, I will use it. But, I will still pay the money down. Why you ask? Lower monthly payments and I can put the offset of the reduced monthly payments into my retirement savings (or invest, as you said...in Ford stocks) which are earning about well above 6%. And I also have a pension check (military) that starts the month I retire...as well as a monthly disability stipend to boot. And did I mention that my home state doesn't tax military retirement income? Yep, I will be fine. So to me, it is better to put the money down and have a lower monthly payment, even with 0%.

 

[AGM2018]

w3rkn, I'll come to your defense. The OP's REASON for not wanting MRC is because he doesn't track the car or drive spirited. The OP is ASSUMING INCORRECTLY that MRC is for track/sport benefits only, not for the softer ride it provides in normal mode than the standard suspension, yet still firm up in milliseconds when needing to do a quick maneuver.


I agree, for the OP when money is no object, he really should check out PP1 with MRC. I have not driven a PP2 with MRC, but it appears Ford claims or implies that version of MRC may be programmed for more "sport" benefits and less "comfort" benefits, maybe more along the lines of the GT350.

Draph,

Thanks for your input. I understand what you and W3rkn are saying...MR is a good option, even for those of us who don't/won't track the car or race the car. I will drive the car in "a spirited manner" as often as I can and when the conditions are safe and support such driving. And I understand the MR benefits aren't just for track/sport and "spirited driving", but for me, I still don't require it. To each his own I say.

And I have gone back and forth between PP1 and the base suspension; for the type and manner of driving I intend to use the 'Stang for, most of the PP wouldn't be utilized. I would, however, like to have the Torsen (SP?) 3.55 rear end. Aside from the Torsen (SP?) 3.55 rear end, the after market supplies a PP that is, arguably, better than factory and it costs at/around $1200. If the day comes when I want a PP, I will buy it aftermarket..and yes, I know it won't be warrantied.

 

[Maggneto]

AGM2018,

My wife and I go through the car buying process every 2 years and timing is everything. During sales events the Dealership gets Manufacturer incentives to compensate for the diminished sales price. Our 2015 EB MSRP 37k was marked down 4k + an extra 1k Ford down payment and 0% during the end of the summer sales event. I had an x-plan but couldn't use it because the 1k down payment could not be used with the x-plan.

Our 2017 Santa Fe Turbo ultimate was 38k marked down to 33k. Recently Hyundai had these marked down to around 30k for a sales event.

Dealerships like cash? Ford finance likes charging interest better.

You are correct about nothing to lose and you never know until you ask. I really hope you get the car for 9k discount and please fill us in on the details.

Maxima is not a Mustang so I wouldn't expect the same result but like you said, it doesn't cost anything to insult the dealership.

 

[millhouse]

Millhouse,

Thanks for your input. The 03GT's' (if you believe the auto mags numbers) were as you said, comparable to the 18 EB's. The 0-60 time was around 6 seconds for an automatic...and a tenth or two less for the manual. The quarter mile was around 14 for the manual and 14.3 for the automatic, with perhaps one or two at the most, MPH at the end of the quarter than the 18 EB. Both are indeed SLOW compared the 18-19 GT but the EB is without a doubt a better overall car and better day-to-day driver than the 03GT. And if Ford releases a tune for it, it will be faster as well.

No doubt, the EB is better in nearly every way. My only point was, you having already stated a 14.0 1/4 mile being slow (which it is compared to the new GT), I don't believe you're going to be happy with the EB. A tune would help, sure...but you are on shaky ground with tuned turbo vehicles and warranty concerns (and it's still going to be slower than the stock GT).

Again, nothing wrong with the EB...but I wouldn't recommend it for anyone that considers a 14.0 1/4 mile slow.

 

[AGM2018]

No doubt, the EB is better in nearly every way. My only point was, you having already stated a 14.0 1/4 mile being slow (which it is compared to the new GT), I don't believe you're going to be happy with the EB. A tune would help, sure...but you are on shaky ground with tuned turbo vehicles and warranty concerns (and it's still going to be slower than the stock GT).

Again, nothing wrong with the EB...but I wouldn't recommend it for anyone that considers a 14.0 1/4 mile slow.

Millhouse,

I agree 100%. I have "rationalized" purchasing a "loaded EB premium", vice a lightly optioned GT Premium (auto, 3.55 gears and 19" wheels) but, I really don't want to modify the EB to make it faster (FP Tune) or replace its "shaky" stock intercooler, hot/cold side pipes and BOV...all of which, in my humble opinion, are of both poor quality and performance. I think spending the extra money for a "Ready-Made, from the dealer's lot" car that I don't see myself ever modifying, save perhaps a set of lowering springs and an AEM drop in air filter, is a better option for me. No warranty concerns, more than fast enough and in the long run, I personally believe the V8 will more reliable over the years, if properly serviced. I know Ford has, literally, hundreds of thousands of EB motors all over the planet, in many different platforms; yet, I am still not convinced of their long-term endurance and reliability in a mustang. Just my 2 cents...

 

[millhouse]

Millhouse,

I agree 100%. I have "rationalized" purchasing a "loaded EB premium", vice a lightly optioned GT Premium (auto, 3.55 gears and 19" wheels) but, I really don't want to modify the EB to make it faster (FP Tune) or replace its "shaky" stock intercooler, hot/cold side pipes and BOV...all of which, in my humble opinion, are of both poor quality and performance. I think spending the extra money for a "Ready-Made, from the dealer's lot" car that I don't see myself ever modifying, save perhaps a set of lowering springs and an AEM drop in air filter, is a better option for me. No warranty concerns, more than fast enough and in the long run, I personally believe the V8 will more reliable over the years, if properly serviced. I know Ford has, literally, hundreds of thousands of EB motors all over the planet, in many different platforms; yet, I am still not convinced of their long-term endurance and reliability in a mustang. Just my 2 cents...

 

[AGM2018]

So the dealer finally contacted me today, with regards to my offer...and the salesman asked if he had a car in stock I liked (a model year 18 GT) would I consider making a deal on it, rather than ordering a 2019 GT. The only car of interest on the lot is an 18 Ingot Silver GT base with auto, PP, navigation, enhanced security package, active exhaust...and you guessed it, Magna Ride. They are discounting it at $8200.00. I have a few concerns though; first the car's "Blend Date is 12-20-17. It has been sitting somewhere (Ford Plant parking lot? dealer's lot?) for almost 7 months...and what months were the 18 GT's manufactured that current owners were/are having issues with "Piston Slap" and "ticking noises" in the 5.0 motor?

Secondly...and here we go again...is the Magna Ride option. I just don't think I need it and I know I don't want to pay for it or maintain it over the life of the car. I am also quite concerned with its long-term reliability, especially when the warranty expires. I know MR has to be expensive to repair and/or replace; I simply don't want to deal with this issue...whatever benefits MR "may" provide aren't worth the long-term risk (to me) and hassle of a possible expensive repair down the road.The car also has navigation (which I would never purchase in a car) and it doesn't have the optional 19" Luster Nickel Wheels either...I am not a fan of black wheels.

All-in-all, I don't see this car being a good fit for me; the salesman told me he could get the 19" Luster Wheels for the car and I think I can get the dealership down $800.00 more dollars to meet my initial requested discount of 9K off of MSRP. My question is: should I? I am not sure I want to purchase a car that has sat on a dealer's lot through a harsh winter, 1/3 of a hot summer and isn't optioned as I like. The car 's MSRP is: $47,365 and the current asking price is: $39,165.

**EDIT** I just received an email back from the salesman...he said the dealership would sell the car for $38,365...exactly the 9K discount I asked for. So Maggneto..let's here what you think. I got my 9K discount (and the salesman didn't use my email for toilet paper)...should I buy or not. Thanks for all of your inputs.

 

[gixxersixxerman]

I am also quite concerned with its long-term reliability, especially when the warranty expires. I know MR has to be expensive to repair and/or replace; I simply don't want to deal with this issue...whatever benefits MR "may" provide aren't worth the long-term risk (to me) and hassle of a possible expensive repair down the road.

From my understanding, and many a forums arguing both ways. Magnetic shocks usually have a orifice and thin/thicken the fluid for demand needed, instead of using valve packs. My understanding in these arguments that "magride" systems last way way longer. in fact majority of the forums that are for claim early 2000's gm magride shocks are still functioning fine where as a standard shock wouldve needed to be replaced to operate the same. I was apprehensive due to "what are these going to cost to replace" but from the track record they seem to last way way longer

Also My car was built in oct 17 and i picked up may 28th, msrp 50,070. was able to get it down to 38,8xx. with memorial day prior military 1k cash back and ford 750 secret cash that i didnt even tell them about until after i got the price down. i got a great deal and why i jumped on it. And the piston slap thing and all the other issues, have been from dates all over. the 2019's may... may have the "updated" part number for the shift forks, but there is no real info out there, and the "problems" are really blown out of proportion. really by the numbers less then 1%


also i say give it a proper test drive, if you are dead set against magride then go find one with out. plenty of deals had either way with the 18's now

 

[Maggneto]

9k off is a.boat load of cash to save on a new GT. Personally I wouldn't let MR get in the way of purchasing since you are basically getting MR for free. I would be more concerned with the dreaded piston slap on the 18s.

My car sat on the dealership lot for 7 months and came with 1k in options I wouldn't have ordered but I ate the cost because there were only 3 cars in 300 miles that had a the options and color I wanted.

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