Cobb stg 1 91 tune

[TheLion]

To run Cobb Stage 2 or Stage 3 you have to run the Cobb parts. You cannot run anything other than their parts or the tune doesn't work properly. That said stage 2 and 3 are literally useless. You can get a tune from Tune+ for as cheap as 150 bucks. Takes about a week (Adam usually does 4 to 5 revisions) and boom you are done and make more power than any cobb staged tune period. For 300 bucks from Tune+ you get the lifetime tune which means unlimited revisions, tuning for multiple fuels (pump, e30, race gas etc). The reason I'm mentioning Tune+ is because he tunes using the Accessport which you already own. Livernois and Lund you would have to purchase their tuners to be able to get their tunes which means more money out of pocket.
I myself run a 93 octane tune from Tune+. I daily drive my car 80 miles round trip a day work wise, plus any personal driving, so I put over 1200 miles in a month on my car. I've had my tune since June and it's ran flawlessly.

There's no doubt from a cost standpoint that's the way to go if you already have a cobb access port. You pretty much hit the very point I was making a while ago. Many of the failures of tuned cars, shop or canned, are related to bolt on parts which were never tested by the tuner, but in particular the canned tunes.

Some components are critical to the tune's function, while other's are not. Critical components would be Waste Gate, Down Pipes and the Turbo. Non critical components would be the FMIC, Radiator, Thermostat, BOV and Intake, all of which can function fine even on a stock tune. If you run Cobb, run their DP and not another brand. If you run Livernois, run their Thunderstorm DP etc...

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[apx632]

There's no doubt from a cost standpoint that's the way to go if you already have a cobb access port. You pretty much hit the very point I was making a while ago. Many of the failures of tuned cars, shop or canned, are related to bolt on parts which were never tested by the tuner, but in particular the canned tunes.

Some components are critical to the tune's function, while other's are not. Critical components would be Waste Gate, Down Pipes and the Turbo. Non critical components would be the FMIC, Radiator, Thermostat, BOV and Intake, all of which can function fine even on a stock tune. If you run Cobb, run their DP and not another brand. If you run Livernois, run their Thunderstorm DP etc...

Actually cobb did a lot of R&D before they released stage 2 and 3. They had stage 1 out within 1 month of the ecoboost released. Stage 2 and 3 did not come until this year. But yea I agree with everything else said here.

 

[TheLion]

That's good to know, but I didn't say anything about Cobb's R&D effort on their stage 2 and 3...I just stated that not using their bolt on parts is likely the cause for failures with those tunes just to be clear. People seem a bit edgy today I just got chewed out by another user on this forum and I still can't figure out why :shrug:

There's a ton of Focus ST's with Cobb Stage 2 and 3 tunes with blown engines, mostly cracked heads, rings and lands. Interestingly enough they did the very thing I just warned against, used a hodge podge of other bolt on components (mixed designs / brands) and assumed it would work the same as Cobb's, then kaboom!

But there are critical and non-critical components. Generally if it's compatible with the stock PCM software, you can use what ever brand safely (take the FMIC for example, stock PCM will work with any of the FMIC's out on the market, but with varying degrees of performance) when tuned as well. If it's not stock PCM compatible, it's considered a critical component and great care needs to be take to avoid mis-matches of untested parts with the particular tune.

 

[apx632]

Oh I'm not sure I haven't read up on the focus st since I bought my car. I can tell you when I tried running stage 2 with my parts my car ran slower than it did in 87 octane stock.

 

[LightningBlue17]

That's good to know, but I didn't say anything about Cobb's R&D effort on their stage 2 and 3...I just stated that not using their bolt on parts is likely the cause for failures with those tunes just to be clear. People seem a bit edgy today I just got chewed out by another user on this forum and I still can't figure out why :shrug:

Don't sweat it. You provide great info and I learn a lot from your posts. It's all good...:cheers:

FWIW, I am running the OTS Stage 1 93, and it's been great so far. I have the MAP Street intercooler, K&N drop in filter and Stainlessworks catback. Using the AP gauges, I've hit 407 ft lb estimated torque (I know it's not accurate - heard to cut 5% from that number for a more realistic torque rating) and 25 psi boost. I'm planning to get a Tune+ tune in the spring to see if I can safely increase the performance further.

 

[apx632]

Don't sweat it. You provide great info and I learn a lot from your posts. It's all good...:cheers:

FWIW, I am running the OTS Stage 1 93, and it's been great so far. I have the MAP Street intercooler, K&N drop in filter and Stainlessworks catback. Using the AP gauges, I've hit 407 ft lb estimated torque (I know it's not accurate - heard to cut 5% from that number for a more realistic torque rating) and 25 psi boost. I'm planning to get a Tune+ tune in the spring to see if I can safely increase the performance further.

You will never go back to the cobb tune once Adam tunes your car.

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