Best U.S. President of All Time?

[IPOGT]

The man is NOT a racist. He is in fact a REALIST, and unfortunately in this P/C culture we are now under, you cannot constructively critizise anyone who isn't like him and not be accused of racism. If anyone is outright RACIST, it is LOUIS FARRAKAN who comes right out and SAYS it, yet the democrats take pictures with him and never denounce him. This ain't mommas democratic party anymore. #WALKAWAY.

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[cosmo]

The man is NOT a racist. He is in fact a REALIST, and unfortunately in this P/C culture we are now under, you cannot constructively critizise anyone who isn't like him and not be accused of racism. If anyone is outright RACIST, it is LOUIS FARRAKAN who comes right out and SAYS it, yet the democrats take pictures with him and never denounce him. This ain't mommas democratic party anymore. #WALKAWAY.

Realists are great, selective realists are not. "Both sides had good and bad people in Charlottesville". No... no that was not the situation there at all. A bunch of people making the Nazi salute chanting "the jews will no replace us" along with there being people OPENLY DISPLAYING NAZI FLAGS with jackets and tattoos with the swastika and Trump backs off from them. That needed a hard and resolute dismissal and separation, and it didn't happen. In fact, Trump has been quoted as saying that what he did say against the white nationalists in Charlottesville was a mistake. Embarrassing.

Part of PC culture is overboard. That kind of stuff is not.

Louis Farrakan is not the President of the United States. Sure, he is likely racist. Yes, he should be ostracized. He however is not the face of the Democratic party like Trump is for the Republican party.

 

[IPOGT]

Simple question: Since his daughter and grandchildren are Jewish, do you REALLY think he had ANY reason to endorse that?
This is America. People have the right to protest. Even Nazis unfortunately. In a free country It is not the presidents job to denounce anyones right to protest. That is the job of society.

 

[Timeless]

Realists are great, selective realists are not. "Both sides had good and bad people in Charlottesville". No... no that was not the situation there at all. A bunch of people making the Nazi salute chanting "the jews will no replace us" along with there being people OPENLY DISPLAYING NAZI FLAGS with jackets and tattoos with the swastika and Trump backs off from them. That needed a hard and resolute dismissal and separation, and it didn't happen. In fact, Trump has been quoted as saying that what he did say against the white nationalists in Charlottesville was a mistake. Embarrassing.

First off, unless you were there you have no idea other than what the 93% negative media tells you.

Now let's make the assumption that a LOT of the white people in Charlottesville for the rally were white supremacists. I think we could also make the assumption that some were not. Maybe they were there to see what was going on. Maybe they happened to be there when the rally started. Maybe they were working for some news sites covering the rally.

No matter the reason you have to agree that SOME people that were WHITE that were THERE were most likely good people.

It is the same logic that if just ONE illegal alien is a convicted felon then there are indeed bad people trying to get into our country.

Logic is logic.

 

[cosmo]

First off, unless you were there you have no idea other than what the 93% negative media tells you.

Now let's make the assumption that a LOT of the white people in Charlottesville for the rally were white supremacists. I think we could also make the assumption that some were not. Maybe they were there to see what was going on. Maybe they happened to be there when the rally started. Maybe they were working for some news sites covering the rally.

No matter the reason you have to agree that SOME people that were WHITE that were THERE were most likely good people.

It is the same logic that if just ONE illegal alien is a convicted felon then there are indeed bad people trying to get into our country.

Logic is logic.

What's so hard about disassociation from white supremacists and Nazi sympathizers? Why are Republicans so hesitant in saying that? There is no impingement on their rights in this instance, just the President coming out and saying "those who support the ideology displayed in Charlottesville are truly not American, and are not what America represents" would be great. Instead he blames both sides and somehow tries to equate them, do you SERIOUSLY believe that?

Why do you try to blame both sides in that situation? The year prior in Charlottesville (2016) they burned a cross and a swatiska for their rally and wore KKK robes (they did this in 2017 as well). Yet somehow the following year (2017) this region becomes the location for "Unite the Right". Americans come out to protest these ideas, and you blame... both?

 

[IPOGT]

Freedom does not discriminate. Regardless of whether or not it's "your or my" type of freedom or not.

 

[IPOGT]

What's so hard about disassociation from white supremacists and Nazi sympathizers? Why are Republicans so hesitant in saying that? There is no impingement on their rights in this instance, just the President coming out and saying "those who support the ideology displayed in Charlottesville are truly not American, and are not what America represents" would be great. Instead he blames both sides and somehow tries to equate them, do you SERIOUSLY believe that?

Why do you try to blame both sides in that situation? The year prior in Charlottesville (2016) they burned a cross and a swatiska for their rally and wore KKK robes (they did this in 2017 as well). Yet somehow the following year (2017) this region becomes the location for "Unite the Right". Americans come out to protest these ideas, and you blame... both?

Speaking as someone who has seen a few disturbances, I can say with absolute certainty that in every situation that erupts into violence, both sides are usually at fault to some degree. That is a fact.

 

[Timeless]

What's so hard about disassociation from white supremacists and Nazi sympathizers? Why are Republicans so hesitant in saying that? There is no impingement on their rights in this instance, just the President coming out and saying "those who support the ideology displayed in Charlottesville are truly not American, and are not what America represents" would be great. Instead he blames both sides and somehow tries to equate them, do you SERIOUSLY believe that?

Why do you try to blame both sides in that situation? The year prior in Charlottesville (2016) they burned a cross and a swatiska for their rally and wore KKK robes (they did this in 2017 as well). Yet somehow the following year (2017) this region becomes the location for "Unite the Right". Americans come out to protest these ideas, and you blame... both?

Freedom does not discriminate. Regardless of whether or not it's "your or my" type of freedom or not.

Speaking as someone who has seen a few disturbances, I can say with absolute certainty that in every situation that erupts into violence, both sides are usually at fault to some degree. That is a fact.

I think @IPOGT has replied adequately here.

Not sure how much more clear you need than saying "I do not agree with racism in any way shape or form." I mean what else do you want? If you are against racism you also cannot be for any type of affirmative action as that puts one or more races above others.

And for the record racism is not a crime, so you cannot just arrest people for their beliefs no matter how repugnant they are. Obviously not hiring based on racism is a crime but that is not what this discussion is about.

 

[Hack]

What's so hard about disassociation from white supremacists and Nazi sympathizers?

You should ask Hilary Clinton that question. I do agree that the Democrat party, having been founded from Nazi ideas and with many KKK members - has done a great job of pointing the finger at the entirely innocent Republicans that have worked really hard to enact color blind policies and improve our country.

It shows how much the help of a willing media does for a group. Lies, no matter how bold, repeated enough times end up being believed by many, many people.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

You should ask Hilary Clinton that question.

I agree. Its a well known fact that most purse snatchers voted for Hillary, yet she has been totally silent every time some poor woman loses her purse.

 

[cosmo]

You should ask Hilary Clinton that question. I do agree that the Democrat party, having been founded from Nazi ideas and with many KKK members - has done a great job of pointing the finger at the entirely innocent Republicans that have worked really hard to enact color blind policies and improve our country.

It shows how much the help of a willing media does for a group. Lies, no matter how bold, repeated enough times end up being believed by many, many people.

http://factmyth.com/factoids/democrats-and-republicans-switched-platforms/
The KKK members which were involved of the foundation of the Democratic party, were actually aligned to the modern day Republican platforms and ideologies. Read up. The parties' respective platforms switched ideologies throughout the 40s-60s. That's why in the Civil War, the Democrats were part of the Confederates. Doesn't make sense in today's world, right? Following the name of the party isn't proper, you need to follow the platforms and ideologies.

The Nazi ideas that the modern Democratic party resemble, such as a variant of socialism, was not why Nazism was so terrible. It was the systemic racism and bigotry, combined with fascism and hyper-nationalism. Much of which was on display in Charlottesville.

I think @IPOGT has replied adequately here.

Not sure how much more clear you need than saying "I do not agree with racism in any way shape or form." I mean what else do you want? If you are against racism you also cannot be for any type of affirmative action as that puts one or more races above others.

And for the record racism is not a crime, so you cannot just arrest people for their beliefs no matter how repugnant they are. Obviously not hiring based on racism is a crime but that is not what this discussion is about.

I'm not talking about arresting.

I'm talking about the President of the United States speaking out against and pointedly chastising those of which who are waving banners and spouting the rhetoric of our enemy in World War II. Do they have a right under out Constritution to be despicable? Yep. Does that protect them from being publicly shamed? Nope. The President is our Leader and should be working on bringing America together. Not someone who says "well those guys are spouting Nazism, but the other guys hated said Nazis so they're both equally bad. Even when a white supremacist ran over a crowd of the other group, still both equally bad." This is not about race.

Please show me signs of violence at Charlottesville which necessitated hitting a crowd of people with a car.

 

[Hack]

http://factmyth.com/factoids/democrats-and-republicans-switched-platforms/
The KKK members which were involved of the foundation of the Democratic party, were actually aligned to the modern day Republican platforms and ideologies. Read up. The parties' respective platforms switched ideologies throughout the 40s-60s. That's why in the Civil War, the Democrats were part of the Confederates. Doesn't make sense in today's world, right? Following the name of the party isn't proper, you need to follow the platforms and ideologies.

The Nazi ideas that the modern Democratic party resemble, such as a variant of socialism, was not why Nazism was so terrible. It was the systemic racism and bigotry, combined with fascism and hyper-nationalism. Much of which was on display in Charlottesville.

I can't believe you would spout that "parties switched sides" garbage. Do you really believe that?

Ever heard of Robert Byrd?

The Democrats leverage divisions and race every single day in everything they do. They are constantly trying to come up with a new group that they can say is disadvantaged so they can leverage it to pull away more freedoms. GLBLT whatever the letters are is recent. Dreamers. Illegal aliens.

 

[cosmo]

I can't believe you would spout that "parties switched sides" garbage. Do you really believe that?

Ever heard of Robert Byrd?

The Democrats leverage divisions and race every single day in everything they do. They are constantly trying to come up with a new group that they can say is disadvantaged so they can leverage it to pull away more freedoms. GLBLT whatever the letters are is recent. Dreamers. Illegal aliens.

Do you? Reread his stances upon his election and how they change towards his death specifically relating to racial ideas.

This isn't rocket science. Go back and read the stances of each party and their platforms. If they didn't change at all throughout their history as you're implying, why would modern day Democrats support the Confederacy? Since they have apparently never changed ideals, this LGBQUROT party would somehow support the Confederacy...? The Republican party was once called "The Liberal Republican Party". Look at electoral maps, the South used to be blue. Now it's red. So which changed, the people? Or the party?

 

[Timeless]

Not someone who says "well those guys are spouting Nazism, but the other guys hated said Nazis so they're both equally bad. Even when a white supremacist ran over a crowd of the other group, still both equally bad." This is not about race.

If you are going to quote someone at least do it right.

We all know what he was implying is that it takes two sides to argue so there is blame to go around.

 

[cosmo]

If you are going to quote someone at least do it right.

We all know what he was implying is that it takes two sides to argue so there is blame to go around.

It was sarcasm, but I know with the way he speaks it can be difficult to recognize the difference.

By the way, that wasn't an argument initially. That was a unite the right rally. Those people didn't start arguing with people and then put on their nazi shit. They cam already prepped in their nazi shit. A bit different? So yeah, any real American would get a bit upset seeing morons wearing that, but good thing Lord Trump has their back instead of slamming them!

By the way - proud of the way he's stuck up for the Saudis regarding the murder of an American citizen? Did you see the pictures released today? Gotta keep those sales of guns to them! And how there is discussion regarding bartering for Turkey's silence by giving them an American?

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