Anybody buying this media fueled COVID-19 bull schitt?

[Sivi70980]

blacks are getting Covid at an "unfair rate"

Coronavirus doesn't care...Coronavirus doesn't give a shit.

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[Bikeman315]

I just have to shake me head and laugh when people I assume are well educated get on here and complain about politics of all things.
We have printed 5 trillion dollars in the past month and the conversation is about how orange Donald will be at the next press conference. I call this slight of hand. Where did the money go geniuses? Are we talking about that robbery? No. Orange man.
Our country is screwed. You are rearranging deck chairs on the titanic worrying about Trump. The people are getting robbed everyday and everyone is worried about orange man being good or bad.

Jay, one of the smartest posts I've read on here in awhile. Here's the thing. We, all of us, make DJT to center focus of every conversation because that's exactly what he wants us to do. He is a master manipulator and a button pusher of the highest caliber. He will say anything to get a rise. Then he looks for a reaction and based on either takes it further or backs off. He says one thing today and a totally opposite thing tomorrow. And he does this time after time and we let him do it. Face it, he is the genius and we are all the idiots for letting him get away with it.

My fear, like yours, is what this country is going to look like when we are finally rid of him. Either be it January 2021 or January 2025. I do know this, we will be in far worse shape than we were in January of 2017. And who's fault will that be? All of us for voting all of these morons, Democrats and Republicans into office.

 

[Silver Bullitt]

My fear, like yours, is what this country is going to look like when we are finally rid of him. Either be it January 2021 or January 2025. I do know this, we will be in far worse shape than we were in January of 2017. And who's fault will that be? All of us for voting all of these morons, Democrats and Republicans into office.

Just curious, and not trying to be confrontational, but exactly what has Trump done in his presidency so far that makes you worse off now than you were in January 2017?

 

[Hack]

Jay, one of the smartest posts I've read on here in awhile. Here's the thing. We, all of us, make DJT to center focus of every conversation because that's exactly what he wants us to do. He is a master manipulator and a button pusher of the highest caliber. He will say anything to get a rise. Then he looks for a reaction and based on either takes it further or backs off. He says one thing today and a totally opposite thing tomorrow. And he does this time after time and we let him do it. Face it, he is the genius and we are all the idiots for letting him get away with it.

My fear, like yours, is what this country is going to look like when we are finally rid of him. Either be it January 2021 or January 2025. I do know this, we will be in far worse shape than we were in January of 2017. And who's fault will that be? All of us for voting all of these morons, Democrats and Republicans into office.

If we get someone in here who wants to continue lock down indefinitely like many liberals are saying, we will be a lot worse off. At least Trump is saying he wants to get us back to work.

 

[Sivi70980]

Just curious, and not trying to be confrontational, but exactly what has Trump done in his presidency so far that makes you worse off now than you were in January 2017?

That any other President wouldn't have done?

Added a little something to your question there. Also not meaning to be confrontational or anything. They've all done their thing and I've done mine since I can remember. Actually the only effects a President has had on me as I age is me paying more attention to them and stressing out about dumb stuff...self inflicted. Time to take the blue pill again and reinsert myself into the matrix where I can enjoy my mustang worry free.

 

[watisthis]

If we get someone in here who wants to continue lock down indefinitely like many liberals are saying, we will be a lot worse off. At least Trump is saying he wants to get us back to work.

Plenty of people think like this, and it's going to get so much worse because of it. You don't have to be an economist to see that.

Congress has hardly contributed any relief to the American people. The majority of the money allocated so far was spent to bail out big corporations and wall street. Meanwhile, people are still waiting on their stimulus payments (where are all the 'that's socialism' people now??) and not paying their rent or bills. A lot of people who have filed for unemployment are not getting paid. The infrastructure for our food aid and unemployment cannot even handle the demand. We need what Canada basically already done, a monthly payment until the economy returns to normal (thank the terrible economic policy that Trump has had for us having ZERO ways to help people in need when they are in need and not when the market is doing well.)

McConnell all of a sudden is concerned about the amount of money we're adding to the deficit. Republicans, in general, seem to have an issue with giving money for relief but were fine when it was businesses needing money who just ended up laying people off. I'm not sure if we'll get anymore stimulus. The plan seems to be to recklessly reopen the economy while releasing corporations of liability and pushing the blame and responsibility off onto the governors (thanks federal gov't you're continuing to do a terrible job.)

What people don't seem to realize, is that the virus is going to continue, and sending people back to work prematurely is only going to facilitate the spread of the virus. This is going to hit the economy even worse in the long run because this disease targets those with the poorest health. In the advanced world, the US is one of the countries with the poorest health overall and the greatest health inequality.

In these circumstances it won't be the government enforcing the lockdown, it will be fear.

The concern is that people are not going to be spending on anything other than food and that's literally what the great depression was. We had a choice at that point give hope with programs like what the new deal had and get people back on their feet or do what some of the rest of the world did and collapse into fascism.

 

[Bikeman315]

Just curious, and not trying to be confrontational, but exactly what has Trump done in his presidency so far that makes you worse off now than you were in January 2017?

No problem SB, I understand where you are coming from. I know this country is far from perfect, it wasn't in 2017, it certainly isn't now. That said I still love her and I'm not planning on leaving anytime soon.
I believe that we were a far more tolerant nation 3+ years ago. DJT has done his very best in getting people to see the worst in each other. Honestly I do not think he is a racist. That said he says and does things intentionally that would people to believe he is. His rollbacks to our ecology have hurt us more than we know and his insistence that climate change does not exist is hurting us more and more each day. Our standing in the world has been hurt by his silly pettiness. Sucking up to Russia, North Korea, and any other dictatorship you can think of.

And what about his promises. Healthcare, virtually nothing, immigration reform, nothing. The wall that Mexico was going to pay for, nothing. Bringing/keeping jobs in the US. We have lost more than we've gained, look it up. Trade policies. Ask the Mid Western farmers about that. Those you have lost their livelihoods because of the tariffs (which have done nothing positive). Foreign policy, a freakin disaster. The idea of isolationism in the 21st century is a joke just as it was in the 20th century (remember WWII).

I could go on and on, because it's endless. The one bright spot, the economy, was in fact better until COVID-19. That's not Trump's fault. But the deficit he created is and we are all going to pay for that. I'm not a big Joe Biden fan and he would not be not my 1st choice. But he is what we have and he is the lessor of two evils.

 

[Silver Bullitt]

Plenty of people think like this, and it's going to get so much worse because of it. You don't have to be an economist to see that.

Congress has hardly contributed any relief to the American people. The majority of the money allocated so far was spent to bail out big corporations and wall street. Meanwhile, people are still waiting on their stimulus payments (where are all the 'that's socialism' people now??) and not paying their rent or bills. A lot of people who have filed for unemployment are not getting paid. The infrastructure for our food aid and unemployment cannot even handle the demand. We need what Canada basically already done, a monthly payment until the economy returns to normal (thank the terrible economic policy that Trump has had for us having ZERO ways to help people in need when they are in need and not when the market is doing well.)

McConnell all of a sudden is concerned about the amount of money we're adding to the deficit. Republicans, in general, seem to have an issue with giving money for relief but were fine when it was businesses needing money who just ended up laying people off. I'm not sure if we'll get anymore stimulus. The plan seems to be to recklessly reopen the economy while releasing corporations of liability and pushing the blame and responsibility off onto the governors (thanks federal gov't you're continuing to do a terrible job.)

What people don't seem to realize, is that the virus is going to continue, and sending people back to work prematurely is only going to facilitate the spread of the virus. This is going to hit the economy even worse in the long run because this disease targets those with the poorest health. In the advanced world, the US is one of the countries with the poorest health overall and the greatest health inequality.

In these circumstances it won't be the government enforcing the lockdown, it will be fear.

The concern is that people are not going to be spending on anything other than food and that's literally what the great depression was. We had a choice at that point give hope with programs like what the new deal had and get people back on their feet or do what some of the rest of the world did and collapse into fascism.

Geez, been listening to much CNN this week?

Have you heard of the Federal Pandemic Unemployment Compensation program? It's actually better than the Canadian program you cited. I know people that have been receiving this for several weeks now. And, this is on top of their regular unemployment compensation and the stimulus money that most have now seen hit their bank accounts. Please turn down your hate Trump syndrome control knob at least to a level that doesn't effect your rational thinking.

 

[Bikeman315]

If we get someone in here who wants to continue lock down indefinitely like many liberals are saying, we will be a lot worse off. At least Trump is saying he wants to get us back to work.

No he doesn't. He could care less if people are working or not. He proved that when he shut down the government a couple of years ago. His concern, his only concern is getting re-elected.

The president doesn't and can't shut down the country. That's up to the states. He tried to screw that up and he got creamed forit so he turns around 24 hours later and puts everything on the states. This way he can't lose. But he has lost. His numbers are way down and many moderate Republicans (the real conservatives) are tired of his daily shit show and would like to see some action.

Now my state is slowly opening up. I am all for a controlled and safe opening. We will see how it goes.

 

[Bikeman315]

The Don gets a lot of credit.

Don doesn't get a lot of credit. He takes all the credit. If you listen to him, there is no one in government doing anything expect when told to by him. Remember this is the man who said "I’m the only one who can fix our problems". And we laughed,

 

[Bikeman315]

Geez, been listening to much CNN this week?

Have you heard of the Federal Pandemic Unemployment Compensation program? It's actually better than the Canadian program you cited. I know people that have been receiving this for several weeks now. And, this is on top of their regular unemployment compensation and the stimulus money that most have now seen hit their bank accounts. Please turn down your hate Trump syndrome control knob at least to a level that doesn't effect your rational thinking.

Actually employers are very concerned about this. As feared many folks are making more money with this program and their unemployment than if they go back to work. We will have to wait to see how this plays out.

And by the way, this isn't Trump's program so you cannot lay the blame at his feet for this one. We can thank our employees in the congress (both parties) for that.

 

[IPOGT]

No he doesn't. He could care less if people are working or not. He proved that when he shut down the government a couple of years ago. His concern, his only concern is getting re-elected.

The president doesn't and can't shut down the country. That's up to the states. He tried to screw that up and he got creamed forit so he turns around 24 hours later and puts everything on the states. This way he can't lose. But he has lost. His numbers are way down and many moderate Republicans (the real conservatives) are tired of his daily shit show and would

Don doesn't get a lot of credit. He takes all the credit. If you listen to him, there is no one in government doing anything expect when told to by him. Remember this is the man who said "I’m the only one who can fix our problems". And we laughed,

So far, 40K deaths is 1 too many, but considering the immediate prediction was multitudes more.........

 

[IPOGT]

@Bikeman315
I apologize in advance, but I couldn't imagine Biden through this pandemic.
That's really scary. The things he says....yikes!
At least Trump we know and may not necessarily like, but he definitely knows what's going on and I don't think Biden is 100% on all four wheels at this point.
Though I have to say, if it were a likability contest Joe would win for sure.

 

[Silver Bullitt]

Actually employers are very concerned about this. As feared many folks are making more money with this program and their unemployment than if they go back to work. We will have to wait to see how this plays out.

And by the way, this isn't Trump's program so you cannot lay the blame at his feet for this one. We can thank our employees in the congress (both parties) for that.

I didn't say I was in favor of it, just correcting some of the lies being told that the federal government isn't doing anything. At least the stimulus may be only a one-off and the unemployment ends July 31. Trust me, one area that Trump has failed is getting the deficit/debt under control and this whole pandemic bs response sure as hell isn't helping that. God help us if inflation ever takes off and interest rates start to rise.

 

[watisthis]

Geez, been listening to much CNN this week?

Have you heard of the Federal Pandemic Unemployment Compensation program? It's actually better than the Canadian program you cited. I know people that have been receiving this for several weeks now. And, this is on top of their regular unemployment compensation and the stimulus money that most have now seen hit their bank accounts. Please turn down your hate Trump syndrome control knob at least to a level that doesn't effect your rational thinking.

Haha, been listening to fox news much? You're a brainlet. How about you take the time to refute things I said rather than coming up with some half-assed, ignorant comment.

Are you talking about the additional 600$ program and the loss of health insurance because they don't have a job and plenty of others only relying on a 1200 one time check because we have an insanely highly unemployment that cannot get to everyone? How the fuck is that better than Canadians deferred mortgages, free health care, and 2k a month for 4 months?

Whereas American started a 2 trillion dollar process and gave most of the money to companies worth hundreds of millions of dollars and we're on the verge of defaulting because they are fucking terrible at finance.

We're paying taxes for a fucking fiefdom. If states and local gov'ts don't get aid or money, the damage will very likely be irreparable. Bailing out big corporations with a slush fund with zero oversight is somehow greater than helping states pay for unemployment.

Edit: I don't watch CNN. Also, I would love it if you responded to the rest of my post too as I don't believe you have a legitimate thought outside of what fox news tells you to think.

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