almost the perfect GT except for this

[madweazl]

My rear bumper cover was off quite a bit. I asked the dealer to fix it and one of the floor managers (Jerry's Ford in Alexandria VA) told me it was normal (showed me the car they had inside the showroom to prove his point). I said BS and they went to grab some tools to line it up. Took them less than five minutes to correct the issue but I was pretty surprised with the guy telling me it was normal and trying to blow me off.

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[hiccup]

Not sure how you can possibly miss what I'm taking about. Are you looking at the pic on your phone screen or on a monitor? Seems pretty obvious to me and it's even more pronounced when the brake light is on. Then again, I'm an engineer by trade so maybe I just notice these things.

In any case, thanks for your opinion and all but I don't need you to tell me what to shop for or what price range I should be in. I would expect the simple things to be done right on a $15k car, let alone a $40k car. My car aside, the defects I saw on other cars on the lot were ridiculous. In today's age of computers and lasers, it blows my mind that it can be that difficult to get a windshield in straight. Or how about a glass installer at the factory who actually gives a f**k.

Regardless, no offense but I have absolutely zero concern for you worrying about my, and others complaints about Fords QC raising the price of your car. Not my problem. What I care about is the car I purchased and the quality I believe should be expected. Your response is exactly why people have concerns about buying American cars. There's just no expectation of quality. It took years for me to get to this point of buying one and I still get the jokes about it being a Ford here and there. i can only hope that Ford expects more of themselves than you do.

Im the OP here and I have to agree with you and Lone Survivor...Your rear glass is too obvious and needs to be reset or replaced. Im afraid to take a good look at mine now. I looked at several s550s on lots, some good,some not so, but I have to say that ford dropped the ball in the QC dept. Just to make sure this kinda stuff wasnt normal I went outside last weekend to look over my wife's 2003 pontiac vibe panel fitment. I was amazed at how precise and even the lines and gaps were. Good job GM. Well, back then anyways.

 

[MSMStannyl]

The problem here is the belief that this is a 40k plus car. It is not. It is a 23k-28k car as that is all you need to drive one off the lot. The V8 option is what makes this a 40k car and there are no QC complaints for that option is there?

You're absolutely right, however, that doesn't change the fact that things should be straight and lined up. As I said, I would expect the same from a $15k car. Nobody here "complaining" is asking Ford for anything else. We're not asking for better materials, better parts, better anything. We're simply saying that they should take what they have and just put it together right! I don't think that's an absurd notion to have.

It's obvious that there are differing opinions on these defects and that's fine. Everybody has a right to do or feel what they want. It's just that personally, I think Ford can do better and I think that consumers should expect better from Ford. When everyone is so quick to just accept Fords shoddy craftsmanship, it will never change.

I have no idea how that glass is put in. Is it a robot? A person? From various assembly line documentaries I've seen, I'm guessing it's a guy at a station on the line, using a lift-assist device to place the glass. How about having some passion and pride in your work? Call me crazy but I'm just not ok with settling like some of you seem to be. Not with this car and not in life.

Will I be fixing my back glass? No. However, I definitely want Ford to know about it so hopefully they get it right next time. That's about all I can do.

 

[hiccup]

The problem here is the belief that this is a 40k plus car. It is not. It is a 23k-28k car as that is all you need to drive one off the lot. The V8 option is what makes this a 40k car and there are no QC complaints for that option is there?

They are 35 - 40k cars to some members here. You go buy the fast one and you'll feel it in your guts when you discover assembly line work on your new S550 that doesn't meet Ford's QC Standards :(

 

[khaosryder]

Here are some pics of what I'm talking about. Wondering if anyone else has the same thing and just hasn't noticed yet (in which case you're about to hate me for bringing it up!).

You can see the reflection of the 3rd brake light on the glass is off. Also notice how the seam is different at the top where the glass edge meets the roof. You can see how it's higher on one side...

I think pretty much all 2015s have that rear window alignment a bit wrong, yours seems a bit worst than the norm thought.

 

[stangbro]

You're absolutely right, however, that doesn't change the fact that things should be straight and lined up. As I said, I would expect the same from a $15k car. Nobody here "complaining" is asking Ford for anything else. We're not asking for better materials, better parts, better anything. We're simply saying that they should take what they have and just put it together right! I don't think that's an absurd notion to have.

It's obvious that there are differing opinions on these defects and that's fine. Everybody has a right to do or feel what they want. It's just that personally, I think Ford can do better and I think that consumers should expect better from Ford. When everyone is so quick to just accept Fords shoddy craftsmanship, it will never change.

I have no idea how that glass is put in. Is it a robot? A person? From various assembly line documentaries I've seen, I'm guessing it's a guy at a station on the line, using a lift-assist device to place the glass. How about having some passion and pride in your work? Call me crazy but I'm just not ok with settling like some of you seem to be. Not with this car and not in life.

Will I be fixing my back glass? No. However, I definitely want Ford to know about it so hopefully they get it right next time. That's about all I can do.

I can see in your pictures that the rear glass is higher on the right side and honestly that is something that would not bother me even if I spent 38k for my mustang (gonna order a 2016 GT premium). You have every right to demand perfection as is anyone else who feels like their car is not up to standards.

 

[stangbro]

I think pretty much all 2015s have that rear window alignment a bit wrong, yours seems a bit worst than the norm thought.

In videos of factory tours of assembly plants in Flat Rock and others in Europe and Japan. I have noticed that workers in Flat Rock do not wear uniforms and just wear regular clothes. Seems kinda unprofessional to me. Maybe root cause of these issues come from the workers?

 

[TorkN8R]

Well, self righteous or not, as a consumer ( Wikipedia that!), I expect something, anything that costs 35/40k to be right.

Being a Brit, we pay a premium on most things, however, we have the law on our side, if it's not fit for purpose, then we don't accept it and, the law bares us out. If, in America, as you advocate, shoddy workmanship is acceptable, then that's your problem.

I will be paying £35k, 50+k dollars for my GT, therefore, using your logic, I would expect the epitome of European quality, that is a fact, please feel free to pass that on.

I'm a consumer, I'm in the right, Ford as a vendor, are wrong in determining what quality I should accept. You, sir, are happy to accept a level of shoddy workmanship, which I hope, does not reflect on the Colonies expectations as a whole.

My North American cousins (of which I have many), have difficulty accepting your level of quality. I think, you sir should have a rethink of the customer/vendor relationship, or are you not able to complain, on your own behalf?

I have no idea whether you have the minerals to stand up for yourself, but it seems not.

Keep in mind mate...It took FORD to fix and make right the Jaguar.

 

[oustaz]

Well, what a cock you are, not to expect a car to be right, not perfect but right!

I suppose if you bought some prawns to eat, you'd be happy with seaweed?

Fook me, nothing wrong with getting the basics right!

What if your partner came with the wrong appendage, would you just accept?

Get a feckin life.
Right, let me get this right, Ford decided that tHey would forego QC and just let it hang on a dealers interpretation of warranty?

It doesn't matter whether you spend one penny or $50k, you have every right to expect a modicum of quality.

I'm not taking this personally, you are wrong, that's a fact, pass it on.

I love this guy!

 

[SkapeGote]

Not hating anything buddy, just have higher standards I guess. I've put down a deposit on a car I'm not getting until late summer 16, if the car isn't right, it's Ford that'll have to answer.


Passionate, yep, pissed, nope. You keep on accepting shoddiness, I'll strive for what's right.

I guess that's olde worlde, which I suspect you don't get.

I don't agree with accepting bad quality, but you are wrong with olde world quality. Let me introduce you to some lucas electronics sometime. Some grade A garbage right there. Eurpeans suck just as much as us North Americans at this stuff. Christ brother in law has had his BMW in the shop 4 times for warranty repairs in the 2 months he has owned it. I don't expect perfection, what I expect is for the dealership to own up and fix it. And to be honest, living in Canada, I will pay the same price you do for a Mustang. And no, I do not expect a 50k car to be perfect. Maybe 100k or more, but not 50k.

Skape

 

[Stormtrooper5.0]

I don't agree with accepting bad quality, but you are wrong with olde world quality. Let me introduce you to some lucas electronics sometime. Some grade A garbage right there. Eurpeans suck just as much as us North Americans at this stuff. Christ brother in law has had his BMW in the shop 4 times for warranty repairs in the 2 months he has owned it. I don't expect perfection, what I expect is for the dealership to own up and fix it. And to be honest, living in Canada, I will pay the same price you do for a Mustang. And no, I do not expect a 50k car to be perfect. Maybe 100k or more, but not 50k.

Skape

You must be rich....i expect a 50k car to be near flawless....while i dont expect a 20-30k car to be.:ford:

 

[Lone Survivor]

Skapegote, wow, Christ is your brother in law, man that rocks AND he drives a BMW! :lol:

 

[Yeah Nah]

Us Aussies wouldn't put up with that shit quality. It's absolute rubbish. This rear window alignment and not to mention panel alignment have been talking topic on here.

Let's see if this issue has been fixed. Can anyone go to dealer and see these issue still exist and take photo's? I can't because I live in Australia. I'll be very surprised if any stangs rolling off the line today still have these issues. If they do, then all they care is about the numbers rolling off the line because they can't get enough.

 

[MichaelKael]

I'll be very surprised if any stangs rolling off the line today still have these issues. If they do, then all they care is about the numbers rolling off the line because they can't get enough.

Yup, pretty sure it is FoMoCo main concern as we speak ! :doh:

But as my fellow Canadian mentioned earlier (JC bro in law ), as long as the warranty work is taken care of by the dealership, that's all that matters (of course as long as the car delivered doesnt look retarded...)

 

[P4RKER]

Yup, pretty sure it is FoMoCo main concern as we speak ! :doh:

But as my fellow Canadian mentioned earlier (JC bro in law ), as long as the warranty work is taken care of by the dealership, that's all that matters (of course as long as the car delivered doesnt look retarded...)

So glad someone else gets it. Whether fixed at the factory or fixed at the dealership if you aren't paying for it and they get it how you like it before you buy it I don't see how this is an issue. It's the same repair either way.

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