6th gen SS vs GT PP

[ForTehNguyen]

I know it's nothing but even the rear view mirror is top notch in the Camaro..looks/feels like a smart phone.

visibility would be even worse if the rear view mirror had a bezel, no bezel mirror was a necessity.

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[ZaneWayne]

The GT with PP really doesn't stand much of a chance against an SS in stock form either. It sure looks damn good though.

True, but the regular GT is just not close at all. Especially when you had some turns in there.

 

[Agarc]

True, but the regular GT is just not close at all. Especially when you had some turns in there.

i think we didnt get such great goodies with our cars cause ford was like we give you a great handling car like the Camaro 6 the opition will be maybe like 3-4k add on sorta like the PP but then people would be well i can get somthing as good as the 350 at a cheaper price why would i pay 48-68k when i can pay 37-40k (just ballparking) but i know some people would still buy the 350 cause you know its a gt350. im sure now we will start seeing 350 stuff that goes in to our Gts

 

[ZaneWayne]

i think we didnt get such great goodies with our cars cause ford was like we give you a great handling car like the Camaro 6 the opition will be maybe like 3-4k add on sorta like the PP but then people would be well i can get somthing as good as the 350 at a cheaper price why would i pay 48-68k when i can pay 37-40k (just ballparking) but i know some people would still buy the 350 cause you know its a gt350. im sure now we will start seeing 350 stuff that goes in to our Gts

I have been saying that for a while. I think if Ford gave about 2-4k in goodies to put it at the same price as the Camaro, it would be too close to the 350 in performance. I think Ford is more than ok with how the chips have fallen so far.

 

[Agarc]

I have been saying that for a while. I think if Ford gave about 2-4k in goodies to put it at the same price as the Camaro, it would be too close to the 350 in performance. I think Ford is more than ok with how the chips have fallen so far.

yea right now you have to go aftermarket to match but whats funny is most things that are on the 350 are now on the ford site to buy for the gt, which means we could of gotten that but they didnt want to at the moment

 

[ZaneWayne]

yea right now you have to go aftermarket to match but whats funny is most things that are on the 350 are now on the ford site to buy for the gt, which means we could of gotten that but they didnt want to at the moment

I think other after market suspension parts and bits are better than OEM a lot of the times.

 

[Agarc]

I think other after market suspension parts and bits are better than OEM a lot of the times.

True cause they dial them in farther than oem cause they can sacrifice a little comfort or noise ect ect

 

[Sasuketr]

I have been saying that for a while. I think if Ford gave about 2-4k in goodies to put it at the same price as the Camaro, it would be too close to the 350 in performance. I think Ford is more than ok with how the chips have fallen so far.

Lets be real here, with the gtpp's current weight and engine specs, there is no way the car can get close to even a base gt350 performance with 2-4k in goodies, unless Ford modifies the engine from the factory and put lightweight wheels, drive shaft, and exhaust sysytem on it!

The only reason camaro ss might be close to a base gt350 performance is because they get the core right from the factory! Beastly engine and lighter weight! I am even curious what was Ford thinking when they put the carbon fiber wheels on the gt350r but put heavy ass 19" performance package wheels on the gtpp! Its just mind blowing! Hack with a wheels upgrade the car can loose over 50 lb of rotational weight and you don't even have to pay hefty $10,000 carbon wheel pricing for it! Go figure!

 

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Lets be real here, with the gtpp's current weight and engine specs, there is no way the car can get close to even a base gt350 performance with 2-4k in goodies, unless Ford modifies the engine from the factory and put lightweight wheels, drive shaft, and exhaust sysytem on it!

The only reason camaro ss might be close to a base gt350 performance is because they get the core right from the factory! Beastly engine and lighter weight! I am even curious what was Ford thinking when they put the carbon fiber wheels on the gt350r but put heavy ass 19" performance package wheels on the gtpp! Its just mind blowing! Hack with a wheels upgrade the car can loose over 50 lb of rotational weight and you don't even have to pay hefty $10,000 carbon wheel pricing for it! Go figure!

Lighter wheels would have made for a more expensive Performance Package. As it is the PP turns a GT into a roughly Boss 302 equal for less than $2,500. The could have gone with lighter wheels for maybe $1,000 more...but I guess they didn't want to up the price that much.

The Camaro is lighter but it's also much less comfortable for someone of my size (6'2/250 with broad shoulders). It also uses a lot more aluminum in the suspension/sub-structures than the Mustang and much thinner and sometimes more flimsy parts. It also costs more because of that.

 

[Socalmustang]

Lets be real here, with the gtpp's current weight and engine specs, there is no way the car can get close to even a base gt350 performance with 2-4k in goodies, unless Ford modifies the engine from the factory and put lightweight wheels, drive shaft, and exhaust sysytem on it!

The only reason camaro ss might be close to a base gt350 performance is because they get the core right from the factory! Beastly engine and lighter weight! I am even curious what was Ford thinking when they put the carbon fiber wheels on the gt350r but put heavy ass 19" performance package wheels on the gtpp! Its just mind blowing! Hack with a wheels upgrade the car can loose over 50 lb of rotational weight and you don't even have to pay hefty $10,000 carbon wheel pricing for it! Go figure!

To be fair, the base GT350 has very heavy wheels, in the 30's and around the same weight as the PP wheels. There is no way Ford would put those carbon fiber wheels, other than the R or a very exclusive car. It would be way too expensive.

Other than modifying the engine or a huge diet, the GT PP would not come close to the GT350 performance.

 

[Sasuketr]

To be fair, the base GT350 has very heavy wheels, in the 30's and around the same weight as the PP wheels. There is no way Ford would put those carbon fiber wheels, other than the R or a very exclusive car. It would be way too expensive.

Other than modifying the engine or a huge diet, the GT PP would not come close to the GT350 performance.

I am not asking for a carbon fiber wheel upgrade for a gtpp just lighter 19" wheels. If i look online there is even Advanti Hybris type wheels which weigh only 20 lbs for $250 dollars each! People sell oem gtpp wheels for that much money or even more! Even Ford does! It is lot of material and labor per wheel i guess!

 

[Socalmustang]

Oh gotcha, yeah I'm not too sure about that either. I read about those wheels last week, incredible how light they are and the price you pay for them. Who knows what goes into the wheel process.

I'm curious to know what the wheel weights are for the camaro or challenger or anything else in the same category though. I wonder if there wheel weights are just as heavy.

 

[Blk2015GT]

Ford could've put a ton more into the GT, and a ton more cost. There is no better car you can get starting at $33k for 435hp.

As stated, wheels are cheap for even decently lighter ones. My set of Niche were $1800 with Nitto tires from CJPP. And they're 20x10 and still 28 pounds each (there are lighter wheels for similar cost too).

And the Camaro is not THAT much lighter overall. Base V8 to base V8 (so the trim level is equal) you're talking a whopping 20 pounds- 3685 vs 3705. And 20 more hp- 455 vs 435.

For that you're also paying almost $4k more starting price. You can MORE than make up 20lbs and 20hp on the Mustang for WAY WAY under anywhere near $4k

 

[ZaneWayne]

Base V8 to base V8 (so the trim level is equal) you're talking a whopping 20 pounds- 3685 vs 3705. And 20 more hp- 455 vs 435.

For that you're also paying almost $4k more starting price. You can MORE than make up 20lbs and 20hp on the Mustang for WAY WAY under anywhere near $4k

It is more than just the 20 lbs and 20 hp (don't forget about all that torque too) for 4k though. You get a lot more stuff that you have to add on to the Mustang, but I actually think that is a better approach on Ford's part.

 

[Blk2015GT]

It is more than just the 20 lbs and 20 hp (don't forget about all that torque too) for 4k though. You get a lot more stuff that you have to add on to the Mustang, but I actually think that is a better approach on Ford's part.

Stuff the average daily driver buyer doesn't care about though.

The multiple thousand dollar cost increase (over the Mustang) to appease the 1% of enthusiast buyers was the wrong move. I would rather add what I want to a car than be bombarded by an expensive base price or packages with a lot of crap to get 1 item in it. The Mustang did that right- base or premium, non-PP or PP; and the rest of the options single add-ons.

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