2016 GT350 at auction already

[TripleYellow]

Have I missed if anyone confirmed the chassis number on this car? Is it a PP car? Thanks

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[bdub85]

People get upset about ADM, because some people don't want to/don't feel it is needed to pay ADM, such as myself. The dealerships did not spend the time, money, and R&D to make the car, Ford did. Ford then priced it at a point that would make them money. We are then FORCED to buy this product through a dealer network that can arbitrarily add price to the product, because the consumer is unable to buy it from any other source new. If no one paid ADM, then there would be no ADM. Once people start paying, dealers will continue to raise it to the threshold. So this is why, my $0.02. It only hurts to consumer. It's a vicious cycle/game.

The only real solution is to push for what Tesla does with a direct factory to consumer sales model. I doubt it will happen anytime soon though. Tesla is pushing hard for it though.

 

[EF300]

This is how it has been since the beginning of time.

If you found something of value...say, a gold bar... on the side of the road; you've paid nothing for it, it's free to you. Does that mean that you will just give it away to someone who wants it? Of course not. Items have a perceived or market value and that value frequently has NOTHING to do with the cost to obtain said item.

Flip it around the other way.... My dog shits in the yard. I have some extra shit that I'd like to sell. I'd like $50 per turd. The consumer sets the value on items and I doubt any consumer is going to come off of $50 for one of my dogs exquisite piles.

your turds are not limited production

 

[Rogue]

That's what I thought, but the GT 350 market is crazier than the race for president. I would have pegged the price at $50K, max.

Not a chance - this is the hottest car since the Ford GT.

 

[PP0001]

Have I missed if anyone confirmed the chassis number on this car? Is it a PP car? Thanks

I suggest that no one so far has confirmed the chassis number and if it is actually a PP car.

Based on the VIN provided I am confident that it is a PP car but certainly the chassis number will confirm that if someone can provide that information.

 

[GT P-TREE]

This is how it has been since the beginning of time.

If you found something of value...say, a gold bar... on the side of the road; you've paid nothing for it, it's free to you. Does that mean that you will just give it away to someone who wants it? Of course not. Items have a perceived or market value and that value frequently has NOTHING to do with the cost to obtain said item.

Flip it around the other way.... My dog shits in the yard. I have some extra shit that I'd like to sell. I'd like $50 per turd. The consumer sets the value on items and I doubt any consumer is going to come off of $50 for one of my dogs exquisite piles.

I have to 100% disagree with you here. The dealers didn't find a resource (gold, oil, timber, etc etc) and stake claim to it. They are a 2nd hand seller of a product from a manufacture. They had 0 input into the R&D, tech, and engineering of the car. Hell, half of them are so stupid they think the (R) registered trademark means the "R" model. If all of a sudden you had only one grocery store where you lived, then they should price gouge you for food right? Why not, it's their right. Not the correct or moral thing to do, but hey, supply and demand right? Same principle to why you're saying they can. You can't produce the goods yourself, they are the seller from the wholesaler, so sucks to be you.

The only real solution is to push for what Tesla does with a direct factory to consumer sales model. I doubt it will happen anytime soon though. Tesla is pushing hard for it though.

God, if only. I would have ordered a R in a heart beat.

 

[RaceRedGT350]

People get upset about ADM, because some people don't want to/don't feel it is needed to pay ADM, such as myself. The dealerships did not spend the time, money, and R&D to make the car, Ford did. Ford then priced it at a point that would make them money. We are then FORCED to buy this product through a dealer network that can arbitrarily add price to the product, because the consumer is unable to buy it from any other source new. If no one paid ADM, then there would be no ADM. Once people start paying, dealers will continue to raise it to the threshold. So this is why, my $0.02. It only hurts to consumer. It's a vicious cycle/game.

People that don't want/feel the need to pay ADM don't have to. Just don't buy the car. And of course the dealership doesn't R&D the car. And it isn't about Ford making money. The dealership assumes all the risk. If Ford developes a lemon, the dealer has stock they can't sell, thus assuming risk. And how is anyone FORCED to pay ADM? You do it because you are willing. Well, I did. And in no way does applying ADM to a car hurt the consumer. It may limit the market, but it isn't hurting anyone. Last I checked, people were fine paying ADM on something they wanted. It is as simple as supply vs demand. Right now, the supply is heavily outweighed by the demand for the car.

 

[RaceRedGT350]

I have to 100% disagree with you here. The dealers didn't find a resource (gold, oil, timber, etc etc) and stake claim to it. They are a 2nd hand seller of a product from a manufacture. They had 0 input into the R&D, tech, and engineering of the car. Hell, half of them are so stupid they think the (R) registered trademark means the "R" model. If all of a sudden you had only one grocery store where you lived, then they should price gouge you for food right? Why not, it's their right. Not the correct or moral thing to do, but hey, supply and demand right? Same principle to why you're saying they can. You can't produce the goods yourself, they are the seller from the wholesaler, so sucks to be you.

God, if only. I would have ordered a R in a heart beat.

You seem to not understand a free market. Hell, the very definition of what you are upset about is printed on the window sticker. MSRP does not stand for Manufactures Set Retail Price. The market determines the value of the car and it has very clearly determined that the SUGGESTED retail price is low. 10K ADM for this car, making it a $68K car is not a bad price.

 

[stanglife]

I have to 100% disagree with you here. The dealers didn't find a resource (gold, oil, timber, etc etc) and stake claim to it. They are a 2nd hand seller of a product from a manufacture. They had 0 input into the R&D, tech, and engineering of the car. Hell, half of them are so stupid they think the (R) registered trademark means the "R" model. If all of a sudden you had only one grocery store where you lived, then they should price gouge you for food right? Why not, it's their right. Not the correct or moral thing to do, but hey, supply and demand right? Same principle to why you're saying they can. You can't produce the goods yourself, they are the seller from the wholesaler, so sucks to be you.

God, if only. I would have ordered a R in a heart beat.

See it doesn't matter if they paid for it or not. The car has a market value based on supply and demand. It's only a point of contention because people KNOW what the dealer paid for them and people hate the idea of someone else profiting from their purchase.

Ps - in my example above...you also had nothing to do with the creation of that bar of gold. The difference is actually more extreme because the dealer has expenses related to selling the product and hey, you just found a free bar of gold. Would you dare try to make a profit?

 

[PP0001]

I have to 100% disagree with you here. The dealers didn't find a resource (gold, oil, timber, etc etc) and stake claim to it. They are a 2nd hand seller of a product from a manufacture. They had 0 input into the R&D, tech, and engineering of the car. Hell, half of them are so stupid they think the (R) registered trademark means the "R" model.

With all due respect I am not sure what Ford dealerships that you are working with but the one that I am loyal to certainly is intelligent and is quite informed of what the GT350/GT350R represent.

Regarding ADM's or markups on vehicles at the dealership level, is this no different than what the average guy on the street is doing when they head to Scottsdale in January?

There are 6 collector car auctions going on in Scottsdale every January and everyone of the sellers of their vehicles which are people such as you and I are going to try to get as much as they can for their cars based on supply and demand and no different than a Ford dealership.

Do you think that each of these consignors at Scottsdale had any input into R&D, tech and engineering for the cars that they are selling let alone carry a $25 or $30 million inventory each month as my Ford dealership does?

Everyone is out to sell their cars for as much as they can whether it be at the dealership level or at the private sector level whether we like it or not.

:cheers:

 

[stanglife]

I have to 100% disagree with you here. The dealers didn't find a resource (gold, oil, timber, etc etc) and stake claim to it. They are a 2nd hand seller of a product from a manufacture. They had 0 input into the R&D, tech, and engineering of the car. Hell, half of them are so stupid they think the (R) registered trademark means the "R" model.

With all due respect I am not sure what Ford dealerships that you are working with but the one that I am loyal to certainly is intelligent and is quite informed of what the GT350/GT350R represent.

Regarding ADM's or markups on vehicles at the dealership level, is this no different than what the average guy on the street is doing when they head to Scottsdale in January?

There are 6 collector car auctions going on in Scottsdale every January and everyone of the sellers of their vehicles which are people such as you and I are going to try to get as much as they can for their cars based on supply and demand and no different than a Ford dealership.

Do you think that each of these consignors at Scottsdale had any input into R&D, tech and engineering for the cars that they are selling let alone carry a $25 or $30 million inventory each month as my Ford dealership does?

Everyone is out to sell their cars for as much as they can whether it be at the dealership level or at the private sector level whether we like it or not.

:cheers:

So true. It's just the way people wheel and deal. We all act quite differently when we are buyers vs sellers. I've seen this unfold so many times online...:

Buyer: man, the car needs this or that...the miles are a little high...the market is really slow on these cars right now... I'll give you X.

^^Guy buys car and 3 months later it's for sale, now he's the seller.

Seller: Car is perfect, low miles for the year. These are IMPOSSIBLE to get right now. No tire kickers, price is firm! (asks more than he bought it for).

 

[Twin Turbo]

Keep it civil..........and keep the ADM discussion for the ADM thread. Thank you

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22595

 

[davidnz]

for sale 65k... G0030


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[FORDSTANGER]

I think add writers so funny. Reminds me of wordy resumes.


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[Bossing]

I think add writers so funny. Reminds me of wordy resumes.

:lol: Titillating for sure.

From the ad- "Passionate enthusiasts wanted for this sexy and agile 2016 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 Leather Seats Navigation . Take pleasure in the buttery smooth shifting from the Manual transmission paired with this high output Premium Unleaded V-8 5.2 L engine. Boasting an amazing amount of torque, this vehicle is waiting for a commanding driver!"​

They should have marketed this as the Tantalizing and Arousing All-New Shelby GT350! (disclaimer: base & tech notwithstanding) :headbonk:

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