2015-2016 Tech Pack and Base GT350 Cooler Solution Discussion

[likeaboss]

Today I've been driving around for about 45 minutes of regular driving (60% Highway, 40% City). Now that I can monitor my trans temp it hit 198 during this drive. It's a sunny and muggy 94 degree day. The trans heats up slowly (started at 88 degrees), but it keeps on going up unlike the engine oil and cylinder head temp that rise quickly then stabilize. I'm cooling it down now for a 1/2 hour to see how much it drops. Yesterday I hit 212 doing more spirited driving.

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[lemers]

I just want Ford to provide warranty on the stuff they produced, mainly the Tremec tranny.

I want that too. But if this "partial fix" is what is offered here is what I see happening.

FP will warranty all the parts that they make i.e. The actual cooler, bracket, and lines. They will tell you that the pump is required and not included in the kit. When this system leaks and damages your transmission. Ford only needs to claim that the transmission is no longer covered by warranty because the "non ford" kit caused the problem.

This is the worst case

 

[superman07]

no one can really confirm if the solution FP is coming out next month will have factory backed warranty or not at this very moment, so I think it is a bit pre-mature to assume we will not get any warranty.

I hope it will be case by case when the warranty request is submitted. FP or Ford will certainly not issue any kind of blanket coverage. I find it likely they will want proof the parts were installed by their certified technicians, and also likely the failure was not related to a FP part. But they have been very good at disappointing me so they could easily just say its not an oem configuration, so pound sand. Apparently there isn't enough demand, or confidence for FP to source a single pump and include it. Perhaps early models used this type of cooler and it was shit so they went to the internal pump, who knows. For whatever reason FP does not want to be in the electrical pump business. Does their kit include a switch or is that also on your own for sourcing?

 

[superman07]

I want that too. But if this "partial fix" is what is offered here is what I see happening.

FP will warranty all the parts that they make i.e. The actual cooler, bracket, and lines. They will tell you that the pump is required and not included in the kit. When this system leaks and damages your transmission. Ford only needs to claim that the transmission is no longer covered by warranty because the "non ford" kit caused the problem.

This is the worst case

On track outside of rising temp how could you notice a fluid reduction from within the car?

 

[Spa2k]

I hope I get the special dispensation from you Spa2k and similar thinkers. Is a 6/11/15 order date soon enough? It was the first day my dealer said he could accept the order....:headbonk:

"YBTWC"? I say :shrug:, who the hell are you to tell me that? How many times have you been called arrogant?

Your use of the word "complain" is smug and convenient for you but is not representative of the posts about lack of trans & diff coolers.

I hate to disappoint you by agreeing with you, but your order certainly qualifies. My order was written about 5 weeks earlier, but it wasn't accepted until about a week before yours. So, by all the power vested in me (which is none, because I don't want to appear to be arrogant since that's never my intent), welcome to the club.

As I've said before, IMHO the owners of Techs ordered or purchased from dealer showrooms, say, at the end of '15/early '16 generally have less room to complain about their cars going into limp mode. By then, the word had been out a long time. And, BTW, if the owners aren't "complaining," what are they doing? They're certainly not heaping praise on a vehicle that's not living up to their expectations. :shrug:

 

[firestarter2]

I've been driving around today for about 45 minutes of regular driving (60% Highway, 40% City). Now that I can monitor my trans temp it hit 198 during this drive. It's and sunny and muggy 94 degree day. The trans heats up slowly (started at 88 degrees), but it keeps on going up unlike the engine oil and cylinder head temp that rise quickly then stabilize. I'm cooling it down now for a 1/2 hour to see how much it drops. Yesterday I hit 212 doing more spirited driving.

I think spirited in the street I didn't break 150

 

[superman07]

Does anyone make a kit that installs lights or audible alarms you can set for values from the ODB2 interface?

 

[likeaboss]

I think spirited in the street I didn't break 150

That makes sense. My friend with a Track Pack only hit 122 on his 30 minute drive to work today.

 

[superman07]

I hate to disappoint you by agreeing with you, but your order certainly qualifies. My order was written about 5 weeks earlier, but it wasn't accepted until about a week before yours. So, by all the power vested in me (which is none, because I don't want to appear to be arrogant since that's never my intent), welcome to the club.

As I've said before, IMHO the owners of Techs ordered or purchased from dealer showrooms, say, at the end of '15/early '16 generally have less room to complain about their cars going into limp mode. By then, the word had been out a long time. And, BTW, if the owners aren't "complaining," what are they doing? They're certainly not heaping praise on a vehicle that's not living up to their expectations. :shrug:

Deposit made Dec/Jan, purchased in January, from dealer stock not yet delivered, picked up in February, stored until March. Dealer ordered the car, did not have a choice however knowing what I did in January I would have went with the larger center console. All of the information I had sourced raved about the car and there were no reported issues with heat on any reviews within colder weather. I also assumed that the coolers would be a rather mundane upgrade path and not for a single second expected a completely different transmission entirely. the existence of two part numbers or the added feature within the transmission for the pump housing as disclosed in no locations outside internet sources that looked for it. Had the track pack features list included the fact the transmission was different that would have at least been an active warning to folks that adding coolers was not simple or oem. When I first read reports of the cooling issues I was into my second or third payment, the ground was still frozen, and all I had at that point was a lump in my throat and a bad feeling.

I never considered the tech pack to be an all day machine, but I did assume it could handle the rigors of hard driving with passengers either uphill or under load without the temps floating upwards of 240 degrees, I was further saddened to see that others had the same issue and effectively the car could not handle novice drivers on the most entry level of events even in cool weather.

I expected a cooling delta, but nothing so significant that it would limit the vehicles usage to this extent. Ford will never admit it but I think the 2017 model change to full coolers is pretty enlightening. Absolutely, hindsight being what it is I would have just waited until 2017, when the correct car was brought to market and the full spectrum of information and data was published.

the more folks that re-affirm the Ford did nothing wrong pathway the less inclined Ford will be to assist those looking for help.

 

[lemers]

On track outside of rising temp how could you notice a fluid reduction from within the car?

I didn't say you would notice from inside the car I said it could leak and ford refuses the warranty claim based on non ford part.

Why would it matter if I noticed or not. Once the damage is done the damage is done. Now I trying to get a new transmission from ford. That isn't happening if they can say it wasn't their part

 

[superman07]

That makes sense. My friend with a Track Pack only hit 122 on his 30 minute drive to work today.

short drives are going to be OK. My observations typically include longer trips, but I am also 20-30 miles from anything and drive 100 to work at some office locations.

 

[superman07]

I didn't say you would notice from inside the car I said it could leak and ford refuses the warranty claim based on non ford part.

Why would it matter if I noticed or not. Once the damage is done the damage is done. Now I trying to get a new transmission from ford. That isn't happening if they can say it wasn't their part

you misunderstand, im wondering if I go with this if there will be something to look for should the pump fail, or fluid leaks.

Im not implying you said anything.

 

[lemers]

Good question. I don't know.

Rising temps
Limp mode (probably too late because you won't have any trans fluid)
Puddles in the drive
Strange sounds coming from the pump.

 

[lemers]

short drives are going to be OK. My observations typically include longer trips, but I am also 20-30 miles from anything and drive 100 to work at some office locations.

So is there a limit to distance or time we are limited to driving the car?

 

[firestarter2]

So is there a limit to distance or time we are limited to driving the car?

I think you are being obtuse. People are driving there techs for long periods of times with no issue.

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