Anyone got any more info on these yet? Lethal Performance Charge-Pipe Kit

boosted_orange · Feb 18, 2015

Question on the kit your offering what's the difference between the 2 valves? How difficult is it to adjust the valves...does the kit come with instructions on how to bypass the electrical connector from the oe bpv? Thanks

LethalPerformance · Feb 18, 2015

boosted_orange said:
Hey Jared since your kit is running a bov won't it make the car run rich since the stock one is a bpv and the computer accounts for that and adjusts fuel accordingly..? Or will that require a custom tune to adjust for the bov? Thanks

The 100% honest answer at this time is that we really don't know. I've driven the car with the hard pipe kit and stock calibration and haven't had any codes thrown. However that's not to say that it can't happen. Nor do we have confirmation of what goes on as far as power is concerned on the dyno yet.

These are things we will be testing and can definitely address if an issue arises.

If anything a custom calibration may be needed if codes are thrown or the car doesn't function how it should at partial/full boost.

Hope that helps.

Jared

dragonacc · Feb 18, 2015

If you have an Accessport you can turn off the factory control of the BPV. Not sure about the SCT X4, but I would imagine there's a way with that too.

boosted_orange · Feb 18, 2015

dragonacc said:
If you have an Accessport you can turn off the factory control of the BPV. Not sure about the SCT X4, but I would imagine there's a way with that too.

If I'm correct the Acessport only let's you download maps & install them into the tuner I know Cobb offers additional software at additional cost so you can get into the maps & tweak them turn rear O2 off turn the bpv off...what about the difference in the valves offered in this kit

dragonacc · Feb 18, 2015

boosted_orange said:
If I'm correct the Acessport only let's you download maps & install them into the tuner I know Cobb offers additional software at additional cost so you can get into the maps & tweak them turn rear O2 off turn the bpv off...what about the difference in the valves offered in this kit

If you don't want to mess with the maps yourself (or buy the software) you should buy the AP from a tuner that will be offering tunes for the AP and ask them to do it.

Also, only one valve is showing up on Lethal's site, it's a Turbosmart Vee Port Pro. 100% VTA, youtube it if you want to hear what it sounds like. Sound is the only difference the average user will notice between aftermarket valves.

boosted_orange · Feb 18, 2015

dragonacc said:
If you don't want to mess with the maps yourself (or buy the software) you should buy the AP from a tuner that will be offering tunes for the AP and ask them to do it.

Also, only one valve is showing up on Lethal's site, it's a Turbosmart Vee Port Pro. 100% VTA, youtube it if you want to hear what it sounds like. Sound is the only difference the average user will notice between aftermarket valves.

When I looked they were offering 2 different valves...but ok thanks for the info :thumbsup:

LethalPerformance · Feb 18, 2015

boosted_orange said:
Question on the kit your offering what's the difference between the 2 valves? How difficult is it to adjust the valves...does the kit come with instructions on how to bypass the electrical connector from the oe bpv? Thanks

It was recommended to us by Turbosmart to run the TS-0205-1131 valve instead of the other one we originally were going to offer. The TS-0205-1131 valve is smaller, lighter and outflows the other valve which is why it was recommended to us. So for now that's the only valve we'll be offering.

The valve spring pre-load is easily adjustable at the cap just like any other Turbosmart valve.

The kit comes with instructions. As far as bypassing the electric connector we simply zip tie it away from the aftermarket valve onto the factory wiring harness.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks, Jared

dragonacc · Feb 18, 2015

I have a question too actually. What are you using for a vacuum source for the BOV?

LethalPerformance · Feb 18, 2015

dragonacc said:
I have a question too actually. What are you using for a vacuum source for the BOV?

Here ya go.

dragonacc · Feb 18, 2015

Thanks for the pic.

boosted_orange · Feb 18, 2015

LethalPerformance said:
It was recommended to us by Turbosmart to run the TS-0205-1131 valve instead of the other one we originally were going to offer. The TS-0205-1131 valve is smaller, lighter and outflows the other valve which is why it was recommended to us. So for now that's the only valve we'll be offering.

The valve spring pre-load is easily adjustable at the cap just like any other Turbosmart valve.

The kit comes with instructions. As far as bypassing the electric connector we simply zip tie it away from the aftermarket valve onto the factory wiring harness.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks, Jared

Thanks..! Are the kits available now or is there waiting period ?

Juben · Feb 18, 2015

boosted_orange said:
Hey Jared since your kit is running a bov won't it make the car run rich since the stock one is a bpv and the computer accounts for that and adjusts fuel accordingly..? Or will that require a custom tune to adjust for the bov? Thanks

No, it won't make this car run rich. The EcoBoost Mustangs are speed density, i.e. they use MAP sensors. What your talking about only affects MAF based cars.

This is due to the MAF sensor reading and metering the incoming air flowing through the intake tract to the turbo. If any air enters/leaves after the MAF, then that's how it'd run rich/lean. A MAF car is programmed to know that a small amount of air from the BPV is being injected back into the intake tract and it adds a small amount of fuel for it. When you remove that small burst of air (venting to atmosphere (VTA) with a BOV), then the ECU has no knowledge of this hence causing the rich condition.

On a MAP based air, the ECU uses measurements from a MAP sensor(s) in the intake manifold to calculate the volume and pressure of the air within the manifold and adds fuel based on a set of complex calculations.

So with a MAP based car, it doesn't matter if you recirculate (like stock) or vent to the atmosphere (with a BOV), the calculations won't be off because it's measuring at the manifold and not at a sensor in the intake tract.

I'd say that Ford recirculated the factory BPV for noise reasons. People that have no knowledge of the functions of a turbo car would be bringing it into the dealerships all of the time saying it is was screwed up, lol.

I'm currently venting right now with no ill-effects, and although I didn't need to, I have monitored and datalogged it. I've seen no rich conditions at all or reasons for concern.

LethalPerformance · Feb 18, 2015

Juben said:
No, it won't make this car run rich. The EcoBoost Mustangs are speed density, i.e. they use MAP sensors. What your talking about only affects MAF based cars.

This is due to the MAF sensor reading and metering the incoming air flowing through the intake tract to the turbo. If any air enters/leaves after the MAF, then that's how it'd run rich/lean. A MAF car is programmed to know that a small amount of air from the BPV is being injected back into the intake tract and it adds a small amount of fuel for it. When you remove that small burst of air (venting to atmosphere (VTA) with a BOV), then the ECU has no knowledge of this hence causing the rich condition.

On a MAP based air, the ECU uses measurements from a MAP sensor(s) in the intake manifold to calculate the volume and pressure of the air within the manifold and adds fuel based on a set of complex calculations.

So with a MAP based car, it doesn't matter if you recirculate (like stock) or vent to the atmosphere (with a BOV), the calculations won't be off because it's measuring at the manifold and not at a sensor in the intake tract.

I'd say that Ford recirculated the factory BPV for noise reasons. People that have no knowledge of the functions of a turbo car would be bringing it into the dealerships all of the time saying it is was screwed up, lol.

I'm currently venting right now with no ill-effects, and although I didn't need to, I have monitored and datalogged it. I've seen no rich conditions at all or reasons for concern.

Good explanation. The only issue we're unsure about is that since the sensor connected to the factory BPV (which also monitors boost for the PCM) will throw a check engine code due to it not being connected anymore.

We'll be sure to keep everyone posted as more miles are logged on the car with the new setup.

Jared

LethalPerformance · Feb 18, 2015

boosted_orange said:
Thanks..! Are the kits available now or is there waiting period ?

We are currently sold out but will have more kits available to ship towards the middle of next week.

Let me know if you have any other questions

Thanks, Jared

Juben · Feb 18, 2015

Can't the factory bypass valve be turned off with a Cobb AP tune?

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