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  1. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    Agree with you 100%. It's impossible to weigh every shipment and it's not how manufacturers and carriers do things. Standardized weights with random spot checks is how it really works.
  2. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    I can tell you from my experience shipments are not weighed every time. I work for a circuit breaker manufacturer(among other things). We've had issues with customers claiming they received all of the skids(with factory shipping wrapping still 100% intact) they were supposed to but per the bill...
  3. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    I agree. I'm curious to see the total sales for each in the pony car segment. GM and Ford have reached reigned September in sales and/or performance at one point. Id guess Ford is up by a decent margin from 60s-present. And currently they're both in a pretty even battle.
  4. GT's brakes vs SS's brakes

    I'm guessing the catches could be price and reliability. If it performs better than the mustang but cost substantially more for comparable model, then that is not a fair comparison. Reliability seems to be pretty similar between the Camaro and Mustang. I'm sure some have there horror stories...
  5. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    Forgot about the gto! Yes in the last years of the fbody it was a slaughter. I was just saying overall, since the 60s GM has sold more Mustang competitors than some of us here admit. There have been years where the Mustang did slaughter, but overall closer than some think. Since the reintro...
  6. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    You're not understanding what I'm saying. Ford has sold wayyy more Mustangs than Camaro total, no doubt. Since 2010 it has been relatively even. Ford has sold more pony cars than GM by a decent margin(Not sure on total #s but its probably around 9 million to 7-7.5 million but by no means a...
  7. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    When comparing GM vs Ford and its subsidiaries in the pony car segment sure it does. Look at 2010 to 2014 for the GM vs Ford. Pretty close in pony cars. IF Pontiac was still around GMs #s would be split between the Camaro and firebird. So Mustang would double each car. It wouldn't mean the...
  8. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    I think area under the curve looks like its ready to go to the LT1 until DI comes to Coyote. Plus tune to raise rev limiter a little and tall drag radials could possibly keep the SS with standard ratios in 3rd gear. At least up until about 116-117 or so. Honestly, I think these cars are...
  9. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    Yes the Mustang has definitely outsold the Camaro something like 9million to 5 million. Maybe even worse. However, I do think that firebird sales should be considered when comparing Ford sales vs GM sales in the pony car segment. It was just a different strategy for GM over the years to split...
  10. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    I wouldn't really call it an advantage for the Mustang GTPP. The Camaro would still be above 5K in 4th going through the traps. That's not exactly bottom of the rev range. Plus if your doing any kind of mods that will increase power the Camaro will have all the room in the world in 4th...
  11. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    Dragsters beware GTPP gear ratios definitely not optimized for drag racing, understandably so. Once you get into modding looks like the GTPP could require a shift to 4th. Not an insult in any way btw. Just saying if you intend to go for mid 11s in one you may run out of gear.
  12. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    Both the SS and GTPP finish the 1/4 in 4th gear. I think the confusion came because some people thought ThePill speculation of "extra shift" meant 4-5 shift. Pill did you mean 3-4 is the extra shift or were you implying that the Camaro would have to shift into 5th? 02GT's calculations look...
  13. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    I don't really understand the comparisons of an optioned out SS vs a base GT350. Obviously the buyers of those 2 cars would be interested in different things. 350 in base form is aimed at ridiculous track performance lacking creature comforts and a loaded SS would be a DD/weekend warrior with...
  14. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    So IF the Camaro came out and were better in every metric, and mustang guys still bought Camaros, would that make mustang guys "like a cult"? I'm not saying the Camaro will be better in every way, I'm definitely skeptical of these claims.
  15. GT's brakes vs SS's brakes

    So it seems like 13.6 fronts(ss) vs 14 fronts(gt) is pretty close if the camaro actually weighs less. I don't understand the rotor comparison of gtpp to base ss. Shouldn't it be base to base? And once a performance pack is announced for the ss that should be compared to the gtpp?
  16. GT's brakes vs SS's brakes

    I'm sure it all depends on what the actual weight of the ss is. Anybody know what size the base gt's rotors are?
  17. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    Coming out strong with my first post.. If you really believe that first statement you might want to tell ford to lose 3 cams and 16 valves in the coyote:p Just kidding This is my first time joining a car forum, huge fan of both the Mustang and Camaro. My brother just got a 15 GTPP and it is...





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