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  1. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    The gear ratios of the 8 speed are more aggressive. In addition to the power increase it will have a significant net torque advantage over the 5th gen Camaro. That's why you need to care about the 8 speed trans. You really think that the Camaro with a significant power bump, 150-200lbs weight...
  2. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    Nice strawman there. He never said anything remotely close to a 5hp advantage being the reason its faster. He used the vette as a starting point, added .4 seconds due to the extra weight(a staple of bench racing math LOL)to assume that the auto Camaro will run low 12s which is very possible...
  3. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    I agree DI sucks. It may not be as bad on the LT1 as it was on the mazdaspeed as it's been around for a while and has likely beneifted from a better PCV system and more tech. Isn't the general consensus that Ford will do it right and run both DI and PI?
  4. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    Well if you care about net torque you should care about the 8 speed. You need to take into account gear ratios when talking net torque. Good job proving you don't know what your talking about. I'm betting the 8 speed Camaro will run around 12.5 in the mag tests with some real world results in...
  5. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    If anything the LT1 peak#s sell itself short. It has LS7 torque up to like 5k or something.
  6. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    I actually think he is pretty specific in a lot of his predictions. I just couldn't resist a chance to quote the Waterboy.
  7. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    M-maybe by keeping his predictions vague and g-generalized there's less of a chance of p-people finding out that he's a phony..
  8. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    If Ford makes a weight loss claim and misses its an honest mistake and a result of tightening restrictions. If GM does the same it is an attempt to slow Mustang sales. I don't get it. Mustang is selling like crazy anyway. I guess GM's evil plan didn't work.
  9. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    The thing about this is that all people have to do is say GM won't hit the weight loss claims. And if the camaro doesn't for whatever reason, then the naysayers are right! Even if they speculate on causes of weight gain but something else actually causes the weight gain, The ends DO justify the...
  10. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    I'm thinking the biggest factor to actually competing with a gt350 is to get light weight. If they can make a 3600lb camaro with a revised lt-1, call it am lt-6(Kind of like ls1-ls6). Revise the intake and tune so that torque doesn't drop off and offer track tuned suspension,brakes and a revised...
  11. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    This may be accurate. Time will tell. If a loaded GT costs 47 and the lowest level camaro halo were to cost say 52 would you consider that a valid comparison? I'd also argue that the gap in price between loaded SS and loaded GT will likely be much smaller than loaded SS and base GT350.
  12. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    I think your a total troll but I will say that if its reasonable to compare a fully optioned SS to the GT350, then the fully optioned GT to Camaro z28 or Zl1 comparison will be fair game(assuming one of them starts near the 50k mark like the GT350).
  13. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    So do you think Ford is crazy for charging a premium for a 4cyl if your really getting less for your money? And its becoming pretty clear that the ecoboost mustang has as much or even more potential than the v6, at least up to a certain price range. Eventually displacement would favor the v6 if...
  14. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    This is right around what we figure for a GTPP Premium. What we need is a true weight for an optioned out Euro GT.
  15. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    Yes the wheel base is 3.6 in longer in the Camaro. Most of the other dimensions are smaller for the Camaro though. Now another thing to consider, I wonder if the Camaro IRS is lighter than the mustangs? This is their second attempt for the Camaro's IRS. I don't know much about these things but...
  16. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    It look like the overall length of the cars are equal, the Camaro's height is lower by 1.3 inches .7 inches narrower wider at front track by .7 but narrower in the rear track by 2 inches. It look to me like the overall dimensions of the Camaro are smaller than the GT. not sure if these...
  17. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    I know it's not a model but was curious about the weight added by the package. There likely won't be a 1le at launch so I'll forget about it for now. The ATS-V TP with carbon fiber package is 3760lb. The interior of the Camaro will be cheaper and is a source of potential weight loss. Anyone...
  18. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    Forgive me if this has been stated already but what are the official 2015 weights for V6 1SS 2SS 1SS 1LE and 2SS 1LE? Anybody know?
  19. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    I don't know if Camaro can match mustang weight or substantiate their claims of 200lb weight loss for SS models. Looking at the 2015 models the Camaro is about 80lbs more than the 2015 mustang per equivalent trim I think. I'll have to look it up. That's on Zeta. Going to Alpha IDK what the...
  20. 2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

    If anything the Euro is content rich. It has more premium standard equipment than the US. US GT 3705lb base Euro GT 3792 lb base. US GTPP 3796lb and has better front brakes correct? Bottom line is the US GT is the lightest GT you can get and the US GTPP is the best performing GT you can get...





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