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Which tests will you wait for? Which Magazine test will run the PP2 for 30 min sessions in the summer for a full day? Which ones will tell us how the drivetrain holds up after a few seasons of tracking? Remember how the magazines raved about the GT350? Remember how owners who tracked the base...

No, it won't. It can't. Maybe for ONE magazine lap it will. But what will happen after 20 min pushing it on track or a summer day with no diff coolers, no transmission coolers, no oil coolers, one-piece rotors, sliding rear calipers? What will happen after one, two, three season tracking it...

What are you talking about? The 350R is Ford's ˜$85K (real asking prices) 2-seat sports car. Chevy has a nearly a dozen variations of 2 seat sports car from $55K on up that match or beat the Ford 2-seater. It's called the Corvette. People here don't seem to get into their heads. Ford has a...

1LE and PP2 are not intended for the "general public". Why can't people get that in here? These packages are there for the people who intend to take those cars to track day events. The PP2 is even dangerous (e.g. cold rainy day) to the general public. The biggest buyers of Camaros and...

The magazines are not pushing it as much as you think. If you look at the Car and Driver Lightning Lap, it is a bunch of editors driving the cars in shorts and open face helmets - which is not even allowed in the track days that I instruct at. The times that they are posting are a middle of the...

My short list is: Camaro SS 1LE (1SS or 2SS), Mustang GT PP2, Corvette Grand Sport 2LT My last 2 track cars were 2012 Mustang GT Brembo Brake Package + mods, and 2015 C7 Corvette Z51 - stock except for alignment pads and tires. Buying a Grand Sport will feel like basically owning the same car...

I agree. The Camaro interior layout from materials to visibility is just not as good as the Mustang. The trunk opening is also ridiculous. The seats on the 1LE though are better than anything the Mustang has. Power adjustable Recaros with leather on 1SS and even heated cooled power Recaros...

That is fair. Just don't try that with the PP2. Those undulations in the parking lot will cause that dealer tacked-on front spoiler to scrape everywhere. Not to mention how hard it will be on your kidneys, since in a desperate attempt to fix a bad chassis/suspension, it sounds like Ford...

Some here are singing the songs of the PP2 without realizing that it is yet another "skunk works" (Ford's words) collection of bits thrown together. The 1LE is a cohesive, well engineered package. Here is just a short list of the things that are in the SS1LE that are missing on the GT PP2: 1 -...

I admire your enthusiast in writing so many paragraphs, but hard to know what point you are trying to make with so many words. Can you send us the twitter version?

Ugh, no. As tested by MT the Mustang (without Recaros, without video performance data recorder, without rear brembos, etc) was ˜$4,000 more than "the GM". Ugh, no. As tested by MT the 2018 PP1 was exactly 0.32s faster than the previous gen S550 PP around Willows. To achieve that, they threw in...

Exactly. Safety is never a binary thing. Safe or unsafe. Certain features of cars can make them safer or less safe. Adding downforce/reducing lift, all things being equal, makes cars safer at high speed. But it typically reduces Vmax and acceleration at high speed. Similarly, adding wider...

Never said the Mustang is unstable or unsafe at speed. I have an opinion, that based on the aerodynamic package (1LE has a spoiler like the PP2 will have vs a fake wing in the PP1) and the fact that the Mustang pulls away above 120MPH despite nearly identical HP, frontal area and CD, that the...

Because the base (non R) GT350 is likely 2 seconds off the pace of an SS-1LE. So being within a second of the GT350 puts you 3 seconds behind the SS-1LE. It is all very consistent.

How about this....How about we forget about the Camaro 1LE for a minute here. Lets compare the 2018 Mustang GT PP1 just tested with the previous circa 2015 Mustang GT PP. Ford added a good amount of power. Ford added better tires (the marvelous Pilot 4S, which I love). Ford added MagnaRide...

That is not an assumption. That is an opinion. Which I'm fairly confident will be true. One of things is true: The Mustang GT has a lot more power than the Camaro (unlikely, but great if true) or the Camaro has more downforce (or less lift if you will) than the Mustang. There is no other...

No one "lost". The Mustang GT has many great attributes (interior, sound, looks, etc). We are simply talking about the 1LE handling vs the Mustang GT handling. On that criteria, somehow the Camaro seems to be an universe apart from the Mustang. Nothing more, nothing less. Not the end of the...

Again? We have to wait yet again for something better to come out in the Mustang? Will the present ever arrive? Ford had all the data about the competition. The 1LE is nothing new. Ford did a major refresh. They created the PP1, which is similarly priced to 1LE package. What is the excuse for...

Yes. I don't know why. Some people just can't handle the data. They always say you should have tested something else instead or some other fake logic. It is very simple. Somehow Ford, even with the GT350 does not seem capable of matching the basic Camaro 1LE - which is the only performance...

And lets be real here. The Camaro beat the Mustang in all the traditional Motor Trend instrumented tests. Camaro beat Mustang to 60MPH by 0.3 sec (4.1s vs 4.4s). Camaro horribly beat Mustang on Figure 8 by a huge 1.1 sec (22.9s vs 24.0). In the process the Camaro matched the Porsche 991...