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Actually, no. You left out the main complain. Horrible steering. "Zero steering feel", "gives no confidence". You also left out the other main complain. "Driving the Mustang feels like you are sitting on a mattress on top of a stack of phone books". "No sports car feel". Tell us how the...

Wow. Seems like the shock is causing some of the Mustang boys to melt with fake logic. P.S. I have no horse in this race, as I own neither a Camaro, nor a Mustang. In fact I have never owned a Camaro in my life, but have owned and tracked a Mustang GT for 3 years - which I quite enjoyed. It...

I know, right! Why the heck would they test 2 similar priced V8 2+2, with nearly identical horsepower with their respective best currently available performance packages on a racetrack. What idiot would do that!

Streets of Willow, same day, same professional and consistent driver.... Mustang was not 1/2 a second slower. Was not a second slower. Was not 2 seconds slower. Was not 3 seconds slower. Mustang was a full three point three seconds slower than the aging, soon to be retired, cheaper Camaro...

Because the MotorTrend Camaro SS vs 2018 Mustang GT PP1 Head2Head video is out, and the track performance of the Mustang may lead some fan boys who plocked cash into one to off themselves. Maybe.

Lets all hope that the PP2 will in fact not overheat and throw codes under most track conditions for a 20-30 min session and/or can be managed (e.g. shifting at 6,000 RPM) to stay within temps. If that is the case, then the only thing I want to know to make it perfect is if the front wheels fit...

ˆˆˆˆˆ Best line in this whole discussion.

It is not a matter of the competence of the engineers. It is a matter of the resources that they were given. The official "story behind the PP2" is that it was a skunkworks project - some engineers working on their spare time due to passion. If this is remotely true, it suggests to me a...

The standard performance package (PP1) and PP2 are completely different animals. The PP1 is a worthy improvement for street, spirited driving, autocross, etc, with nearly zero downside. The PP2 on the other hand has a lot of downsides. The Cup 2 tires are horrible in rain, even dangerous. They...

The revised S550 is awesome. Great design, interior, improved engine with PI and DI, transmissions are probably great too. The PP2 also seems just the ticket for me, though I'm not sure why they didn't keep a square setup for the wheels. But... All that will be for naught if the car...

What does racing have to do with this discussion? The only place to safely and legally explore the standard Cup 2 tires and low splitter of the Mustang GT PP2 is a race track. It has nothing to do with racing. It is about a legal, safe, enjoyable HPDE/track_day, without being the laughing...

Really? Then why did they make coolers standard on the non-R regular GT350 in 2017+? Everyone knows that they did it because of the huge blowback and negative publicity.

MotorTrend is milking this (as they should) to the last drop. They know that this is the most anticipated Head2Head. But we all know the result. The 1LE will be faster on the road circuit, the Mustang will win because it is fresher, better looking, etc. To me the only question is if the GT is...

Official pace car of what? The picture shows a completely empty grand stand.

P.S.1: Buying a car with Cup 2 tires, to put around on the street without ever getting the tires to the temps where they actually work well is a bit silly. P.S.2: Buying a car with a low splitter that scrapes everywhere, without taking the car to an environment (track) where they are of benefit...

That is what I'm hoping for. As to other manufacturers having heating issues, I am very aware of that, having dealt with transmission overheating issues on my C7 Corvette (just sold it). And that is exactly my point. Manufacturers of high-performance cars know that their customers are...

Your entire argument falls in the face of evidence. Why did Ford make the proper cooling package standard on the GT350, then? The percentage of people taking a Mustang GT PP2 to the track is likely to be a lot higher than the folks buying a base GT350. The PP2 is the most track focused...

Of course it is very different. In the GT350 - Ford's Halo Performance Car - they *** KNEW*** that a a cooling package was needed for track work. And they deliberately left it off a the two most popular configuration (Base and Tech Pack), and even made it impossible to get it with the very...

What I'd like to know is how much that GT350 Track Pack Transmission retrofit cost. How much did that owner spent, re=engineering a car that Ford engineered wrongly. He bought a GT350. Then found out the thing overheated on track rendering it useless in that environment. Then purchased a...

As an HPDE instructors, cars like the Camaro 1LE are doing more for the sport than anything I have ever seen. The fact that regular people can affordably buy these cars and take them straight to the track and then learn/get faster with no drama is a game changer. Starting about a decade ago...