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  1. Ford GT vs ZR1 at Virginia International Raceway

    (comments from another thread, better placed here) Yes, I was not going to post because it is somewhat off-topic and gloating is not nice. However, there was never much doubt in my mind. The Z06 was already very close to the Ford GT (Z06 being even faster in tight spaces, like figure 8). The...
  2. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    Yes, I was not going to post because it is somewhat off-topic and gloating is not nice. However, there was never much doubt in my mind. The Z06 was already very close to the Ford GT (Z06 being even faster in tight spaces, like figure 8). The ZR1 added more power, more downforce and kept the...
  3. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    Interesting. I'm not a drag racer, so not too keyed in to the details. But it's plausible that the Mustang top end pull is coming into play. The key think is how much both of these cars have pulled away from the pack. I remember when I bought my last mustang GT I also considered the Nissan...
  4. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    Isn't that exactly what you would expect for two cars of the same horsepower, with one having better grip (tires) and more drag (from tires and aero)? In other words, if I got two Mustang GTs, put tires that are over an inch wider and a large spoiler on one, and kept the other as is, ran them...
  5. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    Yes. Specially if they run it for 1/2 hour and tell us if they encountered any overheating issues. The PP2 305x19 square tire setup on PSC2 is a much better set up for cars with that much weight upfront. Not to mention a lot more choices at lower prices with 19" wheels. P.S. As...
  6. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    As to weight, it is not just the 117 lbs difference. It is also where it is. The Camaro is using lighter rotors (smaller in front and 2-piece aluminum-iron, vs larger single piece iron) - that is a good chunk of rotational mass advantage right there. Overall the two cars are pretty much even in...
  7. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    That (underrated) is the least plausible explanation. Why can't people accept that the Camaro 1LE, with its massive spoiler and tires that are over 1" wider on all 4 corners has a lot more drag than the Mustang. they don't fit skinny tires on drag racers for nothing. As I posted very early...
  8. Purchased Orange Fury PP2 (Tremor Pack) last Monday - The first PP2 to be purchased!

    Congrats on your PP2. In your conversations with dealer/Ford are there any other parts (besides splitter/spoiler) from the PP2 package that are not in these early production cars? E.g. wondering if all the suspension PP2 components are in your car or not. Also, if at any point in the future...
  9. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    That was never in question. The Ford GT is incredible vehicle, regardless of any minor deficits. So in the engine on the GT350. No one can take that away from them. The only point to be argued is that in the very narrow realm of track performance for the buck, those two are not near the top.
  10. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    Either way, I think now we are living in the truly golden age of performance cars in terms of choice. I think this will be a very short period of time where we have choice of NA high displacement Pushrod V8s, High Revving V8s from Fords, small displacement turbocharged engines in various...
  11. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    Well, I hope (but I am not confident) that they do a better job on linearity, than Ford did on the Ford GT. I just read the Car and Driver Ford GT review, and it is shocking to read. Some quotes: "The boosted 3.5L V6 is big on lag, small on refinement." "There’s plenty of turbo lag, replaced...
  12. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    Yes. What is sad is that at the right moment that Ford creates such an amazing engine, the regulations are forcing them to sunset/abandon it. As much as I like the small-block chevy, they are far from exciting at the top of the RPM range.
  13. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    Yes. Sadly that is where the world is going. I am 100% sure that the turbo Corvette engine, like all downsized turbo engines from Porsche to BMW on down, will end up sounding worse, being heavier, being less linear. I get it that it is needed to keep these cars viable. But boy we will be...
  14. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    But lets not lose sight of the fact that the Ford GT is an awesome vehicle, with its FIA spec cage, it's sexy looks, great aerodynamics, etc. I'm glad Ford built it. I just wished they'd keep it in production and not got the route of the Toyota LFA, another short run and done project. Keep it...
  15. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    Seems to me that the other reviews talk about "minimal lag", so there is some. The frame of reference may be the difference. If you have been driving a steady diet of "designed for EPA/NEDC ratings" sports cars that have nearly all gone turbo, you come to accept turbo-lag as "minimal" or "not...
  16. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    So, of the "pro racing" car drivers who have driven the Ford GT and commented in print, 100% of them complain about unacceptable brakes and 50% of them complain about turbo lag. Correct?
  17. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    And then there are the exact quotes from Randy on the braking... "Randy’s real issue, though, was with the braking." “It just doesn’t build confidence to go super deep on the brake, because there’s this time element where I’m on the pedal hard and I’m expecting full brake g, and I don’t have...
  18. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    Well, I posted the lap times at BiG Willow by Randy, the link to the entire review. You could tell that Randy did not like the car at all on how it drove. Here is the link, again: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/gt/2017/2017-ford-gt-first-test-review/ All that Ford GT anti-lag is marketing...
  19. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    I have no idea what you are talking about. But I can tell you that I'd not enjoy driving a car with a lot of understeer [corrected typo] in the Nring or any other track with fast turns that you do a ton of acceleration through. There is nothing I despise more than a car that forces you to back...
  20. 2018 GT vs 2016 Camaro - Track Times Compared w/Video

    Fair enough - that one little comment about the ZR1 likely being faster than the Ford GT, really caused a giant detour. However, in my defense, the Camaro and Corvette do share a lot of running gear, engineering, tuning, etc. When Chevy for instance launched the C7 Z06 we knew a year ahead of...





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