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Just pointing out the numbers guys. You have to add in the Firebird. Even without subtracting the first three years of the Mustang sales the Fbody cars were within 2% (if I did my math right, lol) of the Mustang. You keep insisting that winning on the track sells cars but where are the...

Are you predicting the Camaro's failure again just like it was in 2011 when the 5.0 was introduced? The Mustang HAS to outsell the Camaro when the new one comes out. Either way, the new Camaro is one year behind the Mustang. Regarding sales, lets add in the Firebird sales as well which...

Yea, I guess you had to sell a lot to the secretary fans as well. :headbang:

For those that dont want to do the math, since 2011 the absolutely pitiful, comical, cant drive worth a shit Camaro has outsold the Mustang by 17447 units. Now, That doesnt seem like much but also consider that the Camaro is more expensive, has less rebates for the 13s (possible $2000 vs...

Let's change facts for our own arguments. That's the way of the world I guess. I'll let you get on with the stupid rant against the Camaro.

Lets see, what was the competition in 2010 for the Boss and GT? Literally nothing. I cant help the fact that you keep changing the story. First, it was zero wins. Second, it was they had no wins midseason. Now, with its one win behind the Mustang (since 2011) its a really poor record! To...

You did not say that had zero wins in by midseason. You have said zero wins for the whole 2011 season numerous times. Stop making shit up. Look, if you want to keep changing your story go for it. Yet, you cant keep insisting you are telling facts because you are not. Its that freaking...

A win is a win. You said ZERO wins which is false. Did the Camaro have wins in 2011? Very easy yes and no question right? Grand Am is constantly changing the rules to get the cars as close together as possible.

Again?!?! Come on now. Do you just remember the wrong stats all the time? In 2011, Stevenson Motorsports won races 7 and 8. 2012 they won races 8 and 9. 2013 they have won races 4 and 9.

Not starting any crap but that markup was at one dealer. The guy then went to another and placed an order at 1K less than MSRP IIRC. The dealers that just order a Z/28 to have it on hand will likely mark it up but sold ordered cars will likely have zero. For every dealer that marks up...

I agree with everything you just said. There is a reason Im not in a Camaro nor a Mustang and why I "settled" on my GTO. However, I do really like the 1LE for the performance per dollar aspect for me especially seeing how I can get it for around $34k. The reason the Camaro looks chopped is...

Jesse do you remember the hype about the coyote and that how it was going to make the Mustang so popular that the Camaro would just die on the lots? It didn't happen. Neither car is perfect. The Flex is awesome aside from niggling issues. It's in for a recall and three warranty issues at 7200...

Well, that is quite badass actually. I wouldnt really call it a safety feature but its nice to have on dark back roads when you need the night vision.

Again, with the BS. The Camaro is OUTSELLING THE MUSTANG. It outsold it last year and the year before. Only reason it didnt in 2010 is because sales didnt start until April. What does that say about the Mustang? Camaro: 2013 YTD: 50,281 2012: 88,249 2011: 81,229 2010: 61,648*...

What?? You are bitching about the Camaro guys not respecting the Mustang yet here you are dissing the Camaro when it has close to the same number of wins as the Mustang in Grand Am GS. I just dont get it. The old mantra of winning on Sunday, sell on Monday doesnt work anymore these days...

Yea but its not the best video. I know its higher quality than the previous HUD but not sure if its "HD" yet.

It literally says, stock, unmodified LS3. I have no idea why you are hung up over that. Im glad you finally admitted that the Camaro is more than competitive in the Grand Am GS where it races against the Mustang. Was it really that hard?

Well, shoot, better toss out those power windows and locks!! :headbang:

Yea, Im not sure if the new color HUD is a HD one or not. Havent been in a '14 Camaro yet as they are the first shipping with it.

Then what series are you talking about?? Again, you are wrong about no wins for the Camaro in Grand Am GS as well. They have had two this year and the Mustang 302R has had one so far this year. Where are you getting your info that they havent won anything?