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and saying the mustang is a better car based off sales, alot of which dont go to a private consumer, makes you sound like an idiot. more desirable doesnt male it a better car , it just means it fits people's lives better

yea it fits into to peoples lives better then a camaro, which in no way shape or form makes it a better car it makes it a Joe livable car. guess you think a Camry is a better car then the mustang since it outsells the mustang. also how much of those sales dont go to an actual consumer but a...

I'd say your medaphor doesn't work since the mustang had yet to win against s gen6 other then sales. so how is the mustang the fighter that keeps winning, a better comparison would be the camaro is the ufc fighter that delivers in the ring while the mustang is the ufc fighter is better at...

ooh ford definitely cared about sales haha. and they do a damn good job selling them. I wish I could afford a zl1 1le but that's outta my range unfortunately

so what about the edmunds test, similar car in price, the mustang had a tire upgrade as the a10 and the camaro still edged it out, everyone was blaming tires and saying its not fair cause the ss come with magniride, you don't think that's an excuse. so if the pp2 beats the 1le and i say if...

one of 3 the average says otherwise, and since everyone's argument is same day same driver that 1le could've had a horrible driver or conditions. as of right now ford doesnt offer an affordable track car that's hopefully gonna change with the pp2. and they would have one if dealers didn't mark...

I didn't say itd go toe to toe i said its at is heels meaning the gt350r is faster. an argument could made the gr350r or 1le had a worse driver or conditions but its still In the same class. I did think the 1le would best a gt350 though

my point being everyone on both sides get on their high horse that what they have is the best, iv seen hundreds of excuses since the 18 came out why the camaro is beating it I all performance tests, so I wouldn't call that people are understanding, its no different I the camaro end saying...

where is the recent, the 11 to 14 in a straight line was a driver's race. on a track the ss won. and again I dont care about sales, I'm talking about performance. gm makes a better performance car, sorry people refuse to grasp that, just like camaro people can't grasp the mustang is a way...

even that doesn't affect everyone. Randy post said he had no issue seeing out of the car. is it as good as the mustang, hell no but everyone acts like its impossible to see which isn't the case. are you guys complaint its hard to see out of the ford gt or is that ok cause its a ford. the camaro...

show me one performance based test the mustang bested the gen6. there isn't one. again in talking performance cause these are performance cars. talking comfort or sales and sayong the mustang wins it all based on its easier to live with and sells more would be like someone In the ufc getting...

ah sorry about that. mixed up people, every car company has copied another. did ford copy Oldsmobile since first muscle car was the 49 rocket 88, yes they did bit improved on it, which is what chevy did to ford. and if 2 of 3 tracks you've seen show it close and one doesn't the average shows...

so what the numbers have been close enough multiple times thats is oblivious its right there, and yea that's impressive but for anyone to say that one is built better then any other is a joke all production cars have issues yet you called it a cheap copy. I had a 09 cobalt ss with over 400hp on...

I went to alot of dealers for the pp2, could have been that it was right when it was announced but my 15gt was having condenser issues for the 3rd time in 7200 miles and i only had 2 more months of warranty so i wanted out. they were discountingthe 17s like mad but nothing on the 18s

oh so sorry phone auto corrected, ill have a talk with it, and how is it a cheap copy when it's alway beating the mustang, hell even in 05 when there was no camaro the 02 camaro was still faster. and you call it cheap yet my 15 in its all of 7200 miles it had on it had the evaporator done twice...

really cause iv got one on order from my local gm dealer based off koons pricing, it was 40650 out the door, got whatever rebates they offered ay the time and the 2k for the mustang trade pretty sure I got the order in before they upped the 1le price and i got 1k for owning a corvette

i had the orange so 500 and active exhaust Thats why

agreed I cant wait to see what the pp2 can do

i don't think many track there car, but what i do think is people like saying my car is capable of this or that, if that wasn't the case why buy a performance car at all., not like you need to go 0 to 60 I 4 seconds and many will probably never try but they can say it can do it. so no corvette...