Doing homework on the 13-15 GT

[50hhh]

To me the s550 and S197 are different animals. Ford aimed the older model at Camaros and challengers, They aimed the newer model at BMWs and Audis. Ford isn't worried about the Camaro they have been shooting for the EU market for several years now.

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[Emt1581]

Pretty much all my issues with the MT-82 are gone now that I have a heavy shift knob. It got smoother after a couple thousand miles, as well. It's not a bad trans at all. The shifter isn't perfect, but it's a beauty to shift when it's warm and now that the heavy knob is on there.

Heavy shift knob??...As in cue ball vs. ping ping? That's all it takes for the shifter/trans to be good?

Thanks

-Emt1581

 

[BmacIL]

Heavy shift knob??...As in cue ball vs. ping ping? That's all it takes for the shifter/trans to be good?

Thanks

-Emt1581

IMO yes.

 

[Emt1581]

The gearing....

I've read multiple articles, seen vids, etc. and I'm still not understanding it. So far I think that the larger the number....say 3.73 being larger than 3.55...the quicker the car accelerates.

I think I read somewhere that the 2015 GT with 3.55 hits 70mph in 2nd gear while the 3.73 only gets to 61mph before 3rd is needed. So the 3.73 gets the rpm's quicker at a lower speed.

Still, I don't understand what that means when applying it to the consideration of whether to get that capability or pass on it. What are the pro's and cons to the larger number/gearing?

Something else I'm reading is that everyone says it's far more fun having that larger number/gearing than not having it. Again, just trying to understand the practical application and I think I'm close. But could someone clarify it for me please?

Aside from that the other main item PP seems to offer the Brem-Bo brakes. This car will be WELL taken care of but I'm thinking instead of paying $100 or so for pads and the same for a pair of rotors...I might be adding a zero to that figure when Brem-Bo gets added to the equation. But again, I might be wrong there.

Thanks!

-Emt1581

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

The gearing....

I've read multiple articles, seen vids, etc. and I'm still not understanding it. So far I think that the larger the number....say 3.73 being larger than 3.55...the quicker the car accelerates.

I think I read somewhere that the 2015 GT with 3.55 hits 70mph in 2nd gear while the 3.73 only gets to 61mph before 3rd is needed. So the 3.73 gets the rpm's quicker at a lower speed.

Still, I don't understand what that means when applying it to the consideration of whether to get that capability or pass on it. What are the pro's and cons to the larger number/gearing?

Something else I'm reading is that everyone says it's far more fun having that larger number/gearing than not having it. Again, just trying to understand the practical application and I think I'm close. But could someone clarify it for me please?

Aside from that the other main item PP seems to offer the Brem-Bo brakes. This car will be WELL taken care of but I'm thinking instead of paying $100 or so for pads and the same for a pair of rotors...I might be adding a zero to that figure when Brem-Bo gets added to the equation. But again, I might be wrong there.

Thanks!

-Emt1581

Shorter gearing (higher gear ratio number) means that the engine is spinning at a higher rpm for a given speed. The car makes more power higher in the power band. So the engine is spinning faster as you pass 10 mph, or 20 mph, or whatever, than it otherwise would be, which means you're making more power and can accelerate faster.

The downside is that it hurts your gas mileage, means that your engine will be screaming much higher at highway cruise, and it limits your overall top speed, although that's not a concern with these cars and their governor.

 

[Emt1581]

Shorter gearing (higher gear ratio number) means that the engine is spinning at a higher rpm for a given speed. The car makes more power higher in the power band. So the engine is spinning faster as you pass 10 mph, or 20 mph, or whatever, than it otherwise would be, which means you're making more power and can accelerate faster.

The downside is that it hurts your gas mileage, means that your engine will be screaming much higher at highway cruise, and it limits your overall top speed, although that's not a concern with these cars and their governor.

Ohhh ok...so 0-60 is faster with the 3.73. Is that the 4.5 sec or is 4.5 sec the standard and it's lower than that with the 3.73?

As for mpg...are we talking a mile or two off per gallon or significantly more? So long as the 3.73 does nothing to harm the engine or car overall...I can probably eat a couple miles. Again, I'm used to Subaru's so 19mpg is standard for me.

Top speed...I thought the governor killed it at 150 even though the can go to 164...or am I off there?

Thanks for the info!

-Emt1581

 

[Emt1581]

To me the s550 and S197 are different animals. Ford aimed the older model at Camaros and challengers, They aimed the newer model at BMWs and Audis. Ford isn't worried about the Camaro they have been shooting for the EU market for several years now.

Yup, Ford said it right here...

[ame]

Interesting perspective. Personally, the high value is what drew me to the Mustang in the first place.

At the same time, out on the road, at least around here...the BMW's and Audi's are usually driven by business men and wives that don't need to work (for obvious reasons). So I don't see too many of them racing around...

Around here it's the kids in their Civics and VW's that always have something to prove.

...and now back on topic!!

-Emt1581

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Interesting perspective. Personally, the high value is what drew me to the Mustang in the first place.

At the same time, out on the road, at least around here...the BMW's and Audi's are usually driven by business men and wives that don't need to work (for obvious reasons). So I don't see too many of them racing around...

Around here it's the kids in their Civics and VW's that always have something to prove.

...and now back on topic!!

-Emt1581

As somebody who owned an S197 before my S550, there are two glaringly obvious differences -- the huge step up in interior quality, and the independent suspension. I had almost forgotten what it was like not to have the rear end constantly bouncing around of its own volition whenever I drove over uneven pavement.

 

[daltron]

As somebody who owned an S197 before my S550, there are two glaringly obvious differences -- the huge step up in interior quality, and the independent suspension. I had almost forgotten what it was like not to have the rear end constantly bouncing around of its own volition whenever I drove over uneven pavement.

lol, same here, so true...

 

[RobD]

If I was looking for a new mustang the s550 would be my choice. The ride quality alone would seal the deal, refined interior, awesome looks. I test drove a PP GT and was blown away how much better it handled compared to my 08 GT. The gearing thing is simple enough, the higher number(3:55 vs 3:15) makes it easier for the engine to get the car moving. Similar to downshifting a bicycle when you start up a hill. Another thought about gearing, a 3:73 vs 3:55 may actually be more efficient for the engine and result in better MPG's. Obviously this would occur in city type driving with frequent starts and stops. But no one wants a Mustang for MPG's. My car is an auto with 3:73 gears and it's a lot of fun stop light to stop light, way more fun than the 3:31's that were in my other GT. I would go drive a few with different combos and see what feels right to ya. I'm holding out for a 2018 Mach 1.

 

[BmacIL]

You've got the gearing figured out.

The PP brembos don't need any upgrading unless you're a very competent driver on the track, and track often (at that point step up to an Hawk HP+/Carbotech XP8 or better). Many have run multiple HPDE sessions on the stock brakes with no issues and excellent performance. They're great on the street too.

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[BobbyGT]

No question go with the '15.

I was thinking the same thing, why not save some money so I went and checked out a fully loaded '13, test drove it and was very impressed (coming from a GTI) and actually almost pulled the trigger right there. It was late and the dealer wanted to close the deal but I decided to sleep on it, and am really happy I did.

Woke up the next morning, drove to a different ford dealer a little farther away, pulled up saw a black '15 GT, Test drove, Bought it immediately. Although I spent roughly $8,000 more I couldn't be any happier with my decision.

Huge difference in the drive, '15 feels so much more stable and planted IMO.

Also I actually saved money on insurance too. Im 23 and live in Miami, so insurance is already insane considering I have a near perfect driving record (one ticket a week after I started driving when I was 16) the used '13 with 20k miles was running around $310 monthly, the new '15 was $275 (I also have a low deductible and high coverage, so Im sure it could be cheaper if i cut corners) so make sure to check that out before you decide. :ford:

 

[Emt1581]

I would go drive a few with different combos and see what feels right to ya. I'm holding out for a 2018 Mach 1.

Personally, I feel weird about doing that..at this point anyway. I did that with a WRX, test it at a dealer before I was really planning to buy, and this time around I'd want to test the 15 with and without the PP as well as a Camaro or two. It's not testing that I hesitate to do it's knowing I have no intention to buy one any times soon. Wouldn't that piss a dealer off?...Then when I go back I don't get the time of day.

Plus when testing, they seem to flip out if you hit the throttle at all. Do these cars come with an implied license to do a bit more than drive around the block? Seems like I wouldn't notice much comparing the PP to non-PP rolling around town in first gear.

What should the attitude and approach be when testing these?

Thanks

-Emt1581

 

[l2frankie]

Personally, I feel weird about doing that..at this point anyway. I did that with a WRX, test it at a dealer before I was really planning to buy, and this time around I'd want to test the 15 with and without the PP as well as a Camaro or two. It's not testing that I hesitate to do it's knowing I have no intention to buy one any times soon. Wouldn't that piss a dealer off?...Then when I go back I don't get the time of day.

Plus when testing, they seem to flip out if you hit the throttle at all. Do these cars come with an implied license to do a bit more than drive around the block? Seems like I wouldn't notice much comparing the PP to non-PP rolling around town in first gear.

What should the attitude and approach be when testing these?

Thanks

-Emt1581

From my test drive experiences before buying, i test drove 4 and all 4 times i made sure i floored it. Had 1 sales guy tell me to slow down in the GT cause i was in a neighborhood and i had their license plate on the car. Not 1 time did i ask for the sales guys permission. I think the correct way would be to tell the sales guy to take you to an area that you are "allowed" to let lose

They need to sell the car to you. Enjoy the test drives, spin some tires if you must. Just don't buy the same exact car if you do rag on it lol

 

[Chameleon]

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