Hey Process (and other E85 15's)

[gqneon]

Hey Process, I JUST tonight realized that the internet does not have a great E85 database for my area and accidentally realized the gas station less than a mile from my house has two E85 pumps there. So, in there interest of ignoring 93 pump gas timing concerns and moving the car and bar to holy shit factor 1 for a street car, where would you suggest I start my E85 education?

I know you're pounding pavement at over 800 on a daily driver but I am looking for good reasons I shouldn't do it or some encouragement to step out and try it.

If you're game, toss me a post with a list of what I should do to prepare for a possible E85 adventure. I always have a Lund tune for pump gas I can run every now and again for detergents etc.

What say you?

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[Cobra Commander]

Originally Posted by ProChargerTECH
I have ran E85 since it came out years and years ago.
There are draw backs, you just have to be aware of them.
Most "new" users of E85 are not aware of them.

Pull the injectors out of a car that has run E85 strait for a year.
You will know exactly what I am talking about when you inspect them.

The fuel has issues.....but they can be overcome.
- Moisture
- Corrosion
- Gelling
- Inconsistency

Running E85 and wanting a motor to live a long and happy life, means keep your eyes on it.

- Get a "real" e85 tester
- Deal with gas stations that move a lot of volume. (sitting underground leads to water)
- NEVER ever ever ever let the car sit for more then 2-3 months
- Run normal "gas" through the car every few months (cleans injectors)
- Run a little additive every now and then (keep things lubed)
- NEVER park a car without running pump gas through it (if you like your rings)
- NEVER use a paper filter in your fuel system

These are a few rules I live by, and I have never had a E85 issue.
But I have caught potential issues many times.

(2 weeks ago, I didn't test a sample after filling the tank. Lucky I looked over at my fuel trims, and saw that I was pulling 15% of fuel back. That means the "E" content was very low, and that I was running more "gas" then "ethanol"....so I didn't beat on the car like normal. Sure enough, it was only E71, and I normally run E90..... big difference when your running big boost)

This would be nice to have, to eliminate the test tube or electronic errors.
http://www.paclp.com/Lab_Instruments/QuickSpec



I'm thinking of running E85 as well.

 

[gqneon]

Thanks CC, does the Mustang come with a paper fuel filter from factory? If so which companies makes the kind I should grab up?

Also when you say to never park the car without running pump gas through it, do you mean daily parking it or for like months at a time?

Mine is a DD car that I just keep wanting to push.

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[Cobra Commander]

I have no idea. I just started reallythinking about E85 myself. I started a thread in the forced induction section. Thats where I got the info I posted on your thread. I also have a buddy that lives in texas that said to test the fuel and always go to a station that does alot of E-85 sales.

 

[gqneon]

Hard to tell who sells a lot of E85 from my point of view. Since there aren't many around me, I'm guessing that this one probably does OK.

I'm looking for a conservative 1800 Rwhp so that's not asking too much on a stock block and internals from readily available fuel, ya know?

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[Process]

E85 is roughly equivalent to 107 octane from a detonation resistance factor. Mainly due to how cold it burns.

This is my setup at the moment:

D1SC Stage 2 with 4.385 pulley (15psi)
ID1000 Injectors
JMS Fuelmax at 22v
Commanding a .80 lambda from a 9.85:1 stoich (gas/e10 is ~14.08)
I'm seeing 21.3* of timing up top

I made 832rwhp on stock cam timing.
I am seeing about 170 miles per tank of fuel, at the cost of $2.54/gal. I am running the stock fuel filter and pump. Lund will not tune a FI coyote on E85 on a bap (I am using Eric Brooks as a tuner). I fully plan to transition to a stage 1 return style fuel setup with dual 465 pumps shortly.

 

[gqneon]

Wow! I have everything to do it installed right now then, just need a tune and to fill it with E85. Let me email Eric Brooks. How's your surging and driveability with his tune?

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[Process]

Wow! I have everything to do it installed right now then, just need a tune and to fill it with E85. Let me email Eric Brooks. How's your surging and driveability with his tune?

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Still working on it, going to install this revision that shuts off the imrc's completely in a few minutes.

 

[cp5899]

I have not used e85, but have a few drag bikes running on methanol. It makes more power than and gas setup I have ever had (bikes), but the negative is rings freeze up, pumps go bad, any rubber oring turns hard and brittle. If it's driven everyday these problems probably would be a concern, but my bikes don't get run every day and I pay the price with maintnence even though I cycle them with race fuel before I put them up.

I will keep reading though because I'm sure the power potential is much greater. Specially on a forced induction setup.

 

[gqneon]

Process are you using the stock AFR monitor or a separate wideband to keep up with your fuel trims?

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[Process]

Process are you using the stock AFR monitor or a separate wideband to keep up with your fuel trims?

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using stock.

 

[BMR Tech]

I have been running E85 in mine for quite some time.

I typically just run some 93 through it every couple months, just because.

 

[gqneon]

So I could literally just email Eric Brooks, have him send me a tune, run my tank dry, set my BAP to 22v and his settings for activation, and put E85 in it. Wow. That is entirely too simple to have the equivalent of top shelf $8/gallon race gas at $2.50/gal.

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[Process]

So I could literally just email Eric Brooks, have him send me a tune, run my tank dry, set my BAP to 22v and his settings for activation, and put E85 in it. Wow. That is entirely too simple to have the equivalent of top shelf $8/gallon race gas at $2.50/gal.

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You'll only get about a 160-170 mile range, that is the drawback. But ya, you'll probably get a tune similar to mine.

 

[gqneon]

I get about 250 a tank now. I bet at e85 flow rate your can almost WATCH the fuel needle drop under WOT lol

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