GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

Some highlights...

At $395 for a piece of composite plastic plus installation ($117 at our local dealer), the wickerbill is a rather expensive dealer-installed accessory in some regards (though you could drill and tap the holes yourself if you're confident in your abilities). When viewed in terms of the proven added performance, though, it's a steal. Any racing team would kill for more than a second per lap, especially a second so easily and cheaply acquired.

:lol:

So, they used worn out R compound tires and $500 Wickerbill delete in the GT3 H2H. The car got beat handedly. They change tires, add the bill but only really net a gain compatible to different conditions/days. Apparently, this gain was from the Wickerbill according to MT. It is a steal, on top of the $77,000 theft you paid for the car.

It should also be noted that although the wickerbill would've made it a closer fight, it wouldn't have necessarily changed the outcome of the comparison test. The GT3 still put down a 1:27.22 lap time, 1.18 seconds better than the fully equipped Z/28, and still did it with less power and torque. As we said last time, Chevy's still got a few tricks to learn, and they're still working from a less ideal platform than the Porsche team.

See, trying to bring this 1.32 seconds into the Porsche discussion. How about, you lost... The z28 lost the GTR/Porsche H2H too but they decided to adjust tire pressure and run the car later on in the day... warmer ya' know.

"That much," quantified, is 1.32 seconds. Racers and racing enthusiasts will tell you it's a big difference on a 2.42-mile track. Our long-term Z/28, which has been in our possession since well before it squared off against the Porsche 911 GT3, improved its lap time at Willow Springs International Raceway's "Big Track" from 1:29.72 to 1:28.40 thanks almost entirely to a composite flap literally screwed to the back of the rear spoiler.

Just to be sure, we asked Chevrolet test driver Jim Mero. "Oh, absolutely," he said." It makes a big difference. It affects everything down to 40 mph."

Oh absolutely!!! Nevermind a full tilt roll cage at Nurburgring, this plastic piece and leaving the rear seats in was enough to win at everything...

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[thePill]

What did the five fingers say to the face?!?

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20475

May 16th, hopefully MSRP is ready.

 

[garagelogic]

I really liked Z/28 but another retest with bolted on piece that looks like somebody did in their garage is pretty comical...

And even with the car "right", they admitted that the Porsche would still hand the z/28 it's ass at Willow.

Besides, what were the conditions of the retest? Did they pick up the time simply because of the wickerbill, or did the temps/barometric pressure, etc. also play into the better time it put down?

What will the Camaro5 acolytes say after Randy drives the GT350R and it gets named, "Best Driver's Car"? I'll go on record now to say it will win that award and Probst will gush about it, too.

 

[Gudz2015]

So Pill, have you raced against the z/28 yet In your gt race car yet?

 

[garagelogic]

May have been in a other article or comparison, but I did read it. Regardless, my point is that you're all conspiracy theory against GM and Motor Trend.. Except when they rate the Ford products higher.

Anyway, I'd never buy the Z28. It puts up great lap times especially for what it's built on, but If I were spending that coin though, I'd be sitting in a Vette. There's no special appeal to me with the z28 to spend that money.

For someone who professes to be a fan of performance cars, regardless of who makes them, you spend an awful lot of time and energy talking up GM products!

 

[CarFan]

For someone who professes to be a fan of performance cars, regardless of who makes them, you spend an awful lot of time and energy talking up GM products!

You realize my attention is only towards bullshit that Pill spits out, right? He gets called out on incorrect information over and over and just moves on. He just likes to bash a certain company. Have you seen any posts from me bashing a company on here over and over with incorrect information?

How exactly am I talking up GM products? Read my posts. Nowhere do I go running around stating they're this Holy grail as he professes of ALL Ford products.

Z28 is a solid performer. Plain and simple. Arguing that is idiotic. Is it better than the Porsche? No. Would I expect it to be better? No. Do I expect the GT350 to perform better? Yes.. As it should.

 

[garagelogic]

You realize my attention is only towards bullshit that Pill spits out, right? He gets called out on incorrect information over and over and just moves on. He just likes to bash a certain company. Have you seen any posts from me bashing a company on here over and over with incorrect information?

How exactly am I talking up GM products? Read my posts. Nowhere do I go running around stating they're this Holy grail as he professes of ALL Ford products.

Z28 is a solid performer. Plain and simple. Arguing that is idiotic. Is it better than the Porsche? No. Would I expect it to be better? No. Do I expect the GT350 to perform better? Yes.. As it should.

Seems to me like you have some psychological issues you need to address if what somebody posts on the internet causes you personal angst. You rail against ThePill, yet you cannot refrain from comment in his threads. If his opinions bother you that much, maybe you should stay away from threads he creates!

 

[CarFan]

Seems to me like you have some psychological issues you need to address if what somebody posts on the internet causes you personal angst. You rail against ThePill, yet you cannot refrain from comment in his threads. If his opinions bother you that much, maybe you should stay away from threads he creates!

Doesn't cause me anything. I enjoy the arguments and find it a bit funny how he skips over shit once proof is brought up of him being wrong. An opinion is different than trying to pass off something as a fact. If I hated anything in life as much as he does GM and spent as much time to write 2 pages of notes on it a day, I'd kill myself. Of course you'll see it differently as your beliefs align with his. Have a good day, sir.

 

[flaps]

GM is dropping weight because they had some of the heaviest, useless platforms on Earth. Ford makes a 3500lbs Fusion on a 112 inch wheelbase. Sedan only, it doesn't share... yet the Mustang was forced to take on a lot of weight from the torsion table to the press release.

I am sure the Camaro will try and use expensive lightweight materials... but if the price doesn't stay below $40,000, I could care less what it weighs.

Ford could switch to Boron in the blink of an eye and drop some serious weight. But they won't until the Camaro's MSRP moves up. They lost 88lbs in the Fiesta structure from 2010-2011 and nothing changed except material and some structure redesigning. The key was to undercut the current Camaro and they did that.

We have seen the S550's structure makeup... There was very little weight savings accomplished or Aluminum or Boron wasn't used. There really wasn't much effort made in the content either. Nor was the wheelbase reduced and it was made wider. It tells me that they couldn't undercut the Camaro without using traditional material. To make the Camaro look stupid, they undercut the old car with their new one....


....and the Camaro sales are in the shitter...

Ford is already using a lot of Boron and other high strength/ultra high strength steels in the Mustang. It doesn't look like it's using any less than the Fiesta anyway.

And I can't believe I actually did find the source on the 88 pound weight loss for the Fiesta too.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-ford-fiesta-mini-test-road-test

 

[garagelogic]

Doesn't cause me anything. I enjoy the arguments and find it a bit funny how he skips over shit once proof is brought up of him being wrong. An opinion is different than trying to pass off something as a fact. If I hated anything in life as much as he does GM and spent as much time to write 2 pages of notes on it a day, I'd kill myself. Of course you'll see it differently as your beliefs align with his. Have a good day, sir.

Politicians make a living out of doing just that, so do you go out and post all day in the comments sections of political sites?

My "beliefs align with his"? Exactly what "beliefs" are you referring to? That the Gen5 styling, while fresh in 2010, is now stale and dated? Yes. That carrying a similar aesthetic over to a new chassis is lame? Yes.

 

[thePill]

Ford is already using a lot of Boron and other high strength/ultra high strength steels in the Mustang. It doesn't look like it's using any less than the Fiesta anyway.

And I can't believe I actually did find the source on the 88 pound weight loss for the Fiesta too.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-ford-fiesta-mini-test-road-test

According to Ford's Torsional test on the S550, only slightly more Boron was used over the S197. The Fiesta used extensive Boron...

Thanks for finding that post, that 88lbs was from the structure alone. That's not to say content wasn't added back in. 88lbs in structure loss doesn't equal 88lbs in curb. The Mustang is pretty loaded now so, it may help.

So Pill, have you raced against the z/28 yet In your gt race car yet?

You won't find a z28 competing anywhere in organized Motorsport.

 

[thePill]

The CTSCC race broadcast from Sebring would say otherwise. Z28s were 1-2

:lol:

So those were z28's?


Shouldn't have any difficulty with a 7 liter engine and only 15mm restriction. They should be winning every race...

 

[Arthonon]

:lol:

So those were z28's?


Shouldn't have any difficulty with a 7 liter engine and only 15mm restriction. They should be winning every race...

I assume the R makes all the difference, but Stevenson Motorsports refers to them as Z/28.Rs:

http://www.stevensonmotorsports.com/News.aspx

Here's a Car and Driver breakdown of what's in the Z/28.R compared to a regular Z/28:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/6-things-you-need-to-know-about-chevrolets-burly-z28-r-race-car/

 

[Erik427]

The CTSCC race broadcast from Sebring would say otherwise. Z28s were 1-2

No where near the same car that is sold to the public! Many changes are done to the z28 unlike the Boss302.:ford:

 

[Erik427]

I assume the R makes all the difference, but Stevenson Motorsports refers to them as Z/28.Rs:

http://www.stevensonmotorsports.com/News.aspx

Here's a Car and Driver breakdown of what's in the Z/28.R compared to a regular Z/28:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/6-things-you-need-to-know-about-chevrolets-burly-z28-r-race-car/

They forgot to add the cylinder head change (fix). The massive weight difference too.:ford:

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