Concerned about rotating assembly

[wireless]

Anybody a bit concerned on the strength of our rotating assembly?

Personally -- my impulse purchase of this car, I made a lot of it based upon Livernois glory run... 11's should be easy! heh.

Realistically -- my power goals are around 450-500whp.

This might be a bit overzealous -- however, I was hoping to be able to buy a turbo kit, slap it on, and go -- without touching any aspect of the rotating assembly.

Maybe I'm being impatient... lol.

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[wireless]

Granted -- this is pure speculation. I'm not even sure why I made this thread... but the "stock rod limit" thread worries me lol

 

[EcoSnake]

I've seen motors blow up early and they always say the same thing. Then a year later someone else is making 600whp on stock internals. It's all in the tuning and the fuel. E85 burns more predictable and can be tuned to higher power levels saftely. Just wait for full-race to release their fuel and turbo upgrades. They told me could be early summer. That's what I'm waiting for. Be patient it's going to be worth it.

 

[cosmo]

Yeah, half of the country really hasn't "woken up" because of winter. Once more tuners are able to hit the tracks, I'm sure you'll see some bigger results. I think since the power is shifting more into the higher RPMs with the big turbos, it might be good. These factory rods are pretty stout if the Focus is any indication, and there are quite a few 400whp Focus STs out there right now and I haven't heard of many issues.

Either way, a complete internals and turbo swap with install should come out to be around 7-8k. $1500 for internals, $3500 for turbo, $500 for intercooler, $2k for the labor. That's about the cost of just the superchargers for the GTs, not including any installation cost if you aren't brave enough to do it yourself.

 

[dragonacc]

Not sure we'll see stock internals 500whp Ecoboosts, but who knows. I plan on doing turbo and internals at the same time. Better to do both of them when you want to take it to the next levels because if you hole your block that's even more money you'll have to spend.

 

[04SloSnake]

Like I said in that thread, show me a stock 4 cylinder motor that hold 400+/400+ for the long haul and I will cancel my order. I never expected this motor to hold that kind of power, but I am holding out hope it will runs 11's on the stock turbo.

 

[dragonacc]

Like I said in that thread, show me a stock 4 cylinder motor that hold 400+/400+ for the long haul and I will cancel my order. I never expected this motor to hold that kind of power, but I am holding out hope it will runs 11's on the stock turbo.

I think it'll run 11s on stock turbo. I bet full bolt-ons, wheels/tires, and a good tune will get you there. It'll probably last just fine as long as the car isn't beat down all the time.

 

[04SloSnake]

I think it'll run 11s on stock turbo. I bet full bolt-ons, wheels/tires, and a good tune will get you there. It'll probably last just fine as long as the car isn't beat down all the time.

That's what I'm expecting (hoping) as well. I would love to run a 11.99 in my daily.

 

[EcoSnake]

Like I said in that thread, show me a stock 4 cylinder motor that hold 400+/400+ for the long haul and I will cancel my order. I never expected this motor to hold that kind of power, but I am holding out hope it will runs 11's on the stock turbo.

Any motor or mustang 4 cylinder? Plenty of 4 cylinder turbo cars make over 400whp reliably.

 

[04SloSnake]

Any motor or mustang 4 cylinder? Plenty of 4 cylinder turbo cars make over 400whp reliably.

None that I'm aware of, but I really only know VW's and Evo X's.

Also, those cars probably aren't making the amount of torque the EB makes. FFtec is purposely lowering torque right now for their testing and they have upgraded rods. Also, I speaking for the rule not the exception.

 

[dragonacc]

None that I'm aware of, but I really only know VW's and Evo X's.

Also, those cars probably aren't making the amount of torque the EB makes. FFtec is purposely lowering torque right now for their testing and they have upgraded rods. Also, I speaking for the rule not the exception.

Just throwing this out there but... They are probably limiting torque to keep the engine from running out of fuel while they (and everyone else) figure out the fueling situation.

 

[arghx7]

^ It depends where you are limiting torque. It doesn't take a lot of airflow (and thus fuel flow) to make torque at low-mid speeds. If you think of the engine as having a nominally flat torque curve for most full load operation, 500 lb/ft of torque at 3000rpm needs a lot less airflow (and fuel flow) than at 5000rpm. That's assuming somewhat similar air/fuel ratio.

As myself and Full Race have pointed out before, things change a lot if you make the right changes to the turbo. The engine doesn't have to work nearly as hard to make the power, because you have lower charge air temps and less backpressure to work against.

 

[Mojo_Mike]

Not sure I understand why use of E85 is even being discussed. The owner's manual specifically says not to use fuels containing more than 15% ethanol.

 

[arghx7]

every E85 conversion you see goes against the owners manual recommendations, unless it came with E85 from the factory. Only GM has ever put that into production, on the Buick Regal and on some long-dead Saabs.

 

[kevg73]

None that I'm aware of, but I really only know VW's and Evo X's.

Also, those cars probably aren't making the amount of torque the EB makes. FFtec is purposely lowering torque right now for their testing and they have upgraded rods. Also, I speaking for the rule not the exception.

Like I said in that thread, show me a stock 4 cylinder motor that hold 400+/400+ for the long haul and I will cancel my order. I never expected this motor to hold that kind of power, but I am holding out hope it will runs 11's on the stock turbo.

You can get an Evo X from the factory with 440 hp out of a 2.0l. 400 will be no problem with this engine.

http://jalopnik.com/mitsubishi-lancer-evolution-fq-440-a-440-horsepower-f-1551889914

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