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They will be limited but this will also be a car for a niche market so I doubt everyone who owns an ST will be trading up for an RS. And due to the price I feel that a lot of potential buyers will not be able to swing it. A large majority of ST owners are pretty young so it'll be a stretch for many to afford one.

I am pretty friendly with my local dealership so I don't think I'll be subject to dealer markup. I actually worked there years ago and have purchased many cars from them so I will be speaking to the owner very soon.
Probably true, but you are going to potentially have people in the market for STI's, EVO's, S3's and R's cross shopping. I'm sure they will be snatched up pretty quickly, but who knows. Stay friendly with that dealer and put a deposit down now. :)
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I be frankly surprised if that ever happened. The RS motor is more analogous to the Boss 302 motor. Perhaps a next generation ST or EB mustang may see a trickle down effect, but I would be surprised if it was cost effective to directly drop the RS motor into the mustang.

As for the 3.5, consider that the next gen Raptor and GT both have the next gen 3.5 EB. I think that's proof the engine is vastly superior to the current 5.0 - but also more expensive, and would likely go in the GT500 replacement.
I don't get your reasoning. To me the 2.3 EB is a little short on power and the 3.5 makes too much (too close to the 5.0 if it got a HP tune instead of the truck/torque tune 365 HP). I would expect the RS motor or something similar to be in the Mustang soon. Or if the 5.2 ever migrates down to the GT, then possibly the 3.5 could go in as the lower performing motor. I just see that as less likely.
 

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I think you're making a mistake. I owned a fiesta st and while it was a fun car it definitely was a different class of car. The focus is still built/engineered with being a budget family car first. Sure they spruce it up and all that but you never truly get away from that. At least I felt that way with the fiesta st. It still felt like a fiesta just felt like a fiesta with a bunch of aftermarket parts.
 
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Probably true, but you are going to potentially have people in the market for STI's, EVO's, S3's and R's cross shopping. I'm sure they will be snatched up pretty quickly, but who knows. Stay friendly with that dealer and put a deposit down now. :)
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I think you're making a mistake. I owned a fiesta st and while it was a fun car it definitely was a different class of car. The focus is still built/engineered with being a budget family car first. Sure they spruce it up and all that but you never truly get away from that. At least I felt that way with the fiesta st. It still felt like a fiesta just felt like a fiesta with a bunch of aftermarket parts.
Not really sure what you're saying. You feel the RS will just be a "spruced up" family ride? Hmm, I think many would disagree. The FiST and the FoRS aren't even on the same playing field. I know I was originally comparing the Mustang GT to the RS (in terms of which I wanted to buy) but both are higher performing models than the FiST. I don't think the RS will be considered a family car first.
 

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Not really sure what you're saying. You feel the RS will just be a "spruced up" family ride? Hmm, I think many would disagree. The FiST and the FoRS aren't even on the same playing field. I know I was originally comparing the Mustang GT to the RS (in terms of which I wanted to buy) but both are higher performing models than the FiST. I don't think the RS will be considered a family car first.
It is still a platform based on a family sedan. It was engineered for that purpose first and foremost. You'll never get away from that. You're also giving up an extensive aftermarket the mustang has. I mean I could be totally wrong but the fist at the end of the day felt like a tricked out fiesta. The mustang was engineered to be a sports car from day one.
 
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It is still a platform based on a family sedan. It was engineered for that purpose first and foremost. You'll never get away from that. You're also giving up an extensive aftermarket the mustang has. I mean I could be totally wrong but the fist at the end of the day felt like a tricked out fiesta. The mustang was engineered to be a sports car from day one.
I don't deny the Mustang is and will always be a great sports car because that's its sole purpose. They've come a long way with the S550 in terms of refinement and handling, which is why I've put these two vehicles on top of my list. But having a car based on a family platform doesn't take away from the fun factor. If I end up not liking it then I will just get a GT350 and be done with it ha.
 

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I be frankly surprised if that ever happened. The RS motor is more analogous to the Boss 302 motor. Perhaps a next generation ST or EB mustang may see a trickle down effect, but I would be surprised if it was cost effective to directly drop the RS motor into the mustang.

As for the 3.5, consider that the next gen Raptor and GT both have the next gen 3.5 EB. I think that's proof the engine is vastly superior to the current 5.0 - but also more expensive, and would likely go in the GT500 replacement.
I don't agree that the 5.0L is inferior to the 3.5EB, a Coyote Ecoboost might be too much power for all but Cobra Jet, I think it would have been perfect for the Raptor, maybe we'll see it in a new Lightning?

I think all EcoBoost choices are made mainly for MPG, which sucks, because in my experience with the 2.0EB vs. the 3.5NA the mileage is a wash, the V6 gets better in town and the I4 better on the highway. I am really disappointed with the MPG in my new 2.0EB Edge, as the ratings are not the same and it's an extra $1000.

The 3.5EB was picked for the GT because of packaging, and Ford is hoping the EcoBoost in their halo car and in road racing will add some shine and ease worries on durability, that people might still have with smaller turbocharged engines.
 

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Been a little bit since I posted in my own thread but just want to thank everyone for all the comments (now that all the Subaru talk is gone). I have made up my mind, going with the RS. I will stick it out with the lame Cruze I have for now so I can have a good $8k or so to put down once the RS is available.
I'm doing the same with my car (2010 Mazdaspeed 3) except I will no longer put any mods on it. It needs new brake pads and rotors, so that'll be done, and I might (or maybe not) get the intake valves cleaned via walnut blasting. I'm sort of leaning towards not doing it because that is money that can go towards the RS. In two years time, I should have put together a good down payment sum in addition to however much I can get by selling my Speed 3.

I'm not overly worried about price because I talked to someone inside Ford development in Dearborn and he said they will be priced similarly to the Golf R. I really don't see how the RS will be over 40k as some are predicting nor do I see it having many levels of trim/options. This will be a very well packaged car from the start and I can't wait! I'll be shocked if it's under $36k but we'll see.
Same here, I have said that Ford knows the competition - meaning, the Subaru WRX STI and the Golf R. I'm guessing about $35k to start, and up to $40k with options and such.

From how it sounds as of now I think this is the car I've been waiting for so price is almost irrelevant since I don't want anything other than a GT350, and that's not realistic right now financially. It'll be a long summer, seeing all the beautiful GTs on the road but I am sure I'll be happy with my decision.

As great as I think the Mustang is, I am really liking how rare the RS will be. Once spring hits there will be so many Mustangs on the road (with good reason) so a big part of me wants to be different. Hell, I see no less than 10 a day now. Granted, I'm a driver so I see thousands of cars a day but still. I won't see many RS on the road and that I like.

At 33, I'm still young enough to get that GT350 one day but for now I feel Ford has given me something to be happy about in the RS. Actually Ford has been the only one making anything I'd buy so keep it up Again, thanks to all the contributions to my thread. Great bunch of guys (and girls) on this forum and I'll hang around while I'm awaiting my RS.
The Focus RS, for me, will be a willing performer in all weather conditions. It can be hot and dry out, and it'll be a blast to drive. The roads can be under a foot of snow, or wet with rain - it doesn't care, AWD conquers it all. The hatchback ensures that it can carry pretty much anything that I want to haul around (I have fit large LCD tvs, 6ft fence boards, sacks of concrete, bags of gravel, a 55" wide painting, and five suitcases + my parents in my Mazdaspeed 3), the 5 doors makes it practical for social excursions, and its size and visibility from the cabin will be of great use in an urban environment. It can fly under the radar of most people, including cops, and will sit unobtrusively in a parking lot and have a good chance of being unmolested by passers-by.

Yet, despite all of this real-world daily driver stuff, I can sit behind the wheel and know that an AWD rocketship is at my beck and call. I don't care if it is based on a family car / econobox chassis - if Ford Europe did their job right, and chances are they did it extremely right, none of that pleb stuff will matter in the end. The car will be a beast, end of story.
 

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When I owned my Evo X, I LOVED launching the thing. I hated that I opted for the MR, but I couldn't pass up on the deal I got for it. Aside from the gearbox, I loved the handling, the AWD is something I definitely miss (used to eat Mustangs alive from a dig :) ), and the turbo spools...mmmm turbo :love: I would really consider the RS down the line as a DD so I could retire the Mustang to a weekend warrior. I just hope it has more power on the top end than my Evo did.
 

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I'm doing the same with my car (2010 Mazdaspeed 3) except I will no longer put any mods on it. It needs new brake pads and rotors, so that'll be done, and I might (or maybe not) get the intake valves cleaned via walnut blasting. I'm sort of leaning towards not doing it because that is money that can go towards the RS. In two years time, I should have put together a good down payment sum in addition to however much I can get by selling my Speed 3.

Same here, I have said that Ford knows the competition - meaning, the Subaru WRX STI and the Golf R. I'm guessing about $35k to start, and up to $40k with options and such.

The Focus RS, for me, will be a willing performer in all weather conditions. It can be hot and dry out, and it'll be a blast to drive. The roads can be under a foot of snow, or wet with rain - it doesn't care, AWD conquers it all. The hatchback ensures that it can carry pretty much anything that I want to haul around (I have fit large LCD tvs, 6ft fence boards, sacks of concrete, bags of gravel, a 55" wide painting, and five suitcases + my parents in my Mazdaspeed 3), the 5 doors makes it practical for social excursions, and its size and visibility from the cabin will be of great use in an urban environment. It can fly under the radar of most people, including cops, and will sit unobtrusively in a parking lot and have a good chance of being unmolested by passers-by.

Yet, despite all of this real-world daily driver stuff, I can sit behind the wheel and know that an AWD rocketship is at my beck and call. I don't care if it is based on a family car / econobox chassis - if Ford Europe did their job right, and chances are they did it extremely right, none of that pleb stuff will matter in the end. The car will be a beast, end of story.
All very well said, it's nice to see someone else out there with the same views as me. I KNOW I'm going to be tempted to buy a GT or other sports car in a few months when it's nice and warm out but you hit the nail on the head when you said AWD rocketship that can handle all weather conditions.

I've been driving for a living for 11 years now (all RWD vehicles) and as confident as I am in snow a 400+ HP daily driver just isn't all that fun once the white stuff hits. Granted, we don't drive non stop in snow but when it's there I'd rather have a very capable AWD beast. I've never been known for my patience so this will be pretty challenging but hopefully it'll be worth the wait. I almost wish they didn't reveal it so far away from production...
 

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I wonder how much one would lose on a 15 GT with PP if they traded it in on the RS? I only financed 24k and will have made at least 6 payments by then. Shouldn't be to bad if the price point is similar.

*patiently waiting for more info*
 
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I wonder how much one would lose on a 15 GT with PP if they traded it in on the RS? I only financed 24k and will have made at least 6 payments by then. Shouldn't be to bad if the price point is similar.

*patiently waiting for more info*
Would you consider doing this if the numbers worked? They're two very different cars and will probably appeal to different buyers but man what a time to be in the market for a performance car.
 

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Would you consider doing this if the numbers worked? They're two very different cars and will probably appeal to different buyers but man what a time to be in the market for a performance car.
Yes I would. I have always drooled over the RS. Coming from a STi to the mustang, it would feel reminiscent to the previous. Wouldn't bother me one bit if the deal worked out lol. Sorry, guys!
 
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Yes I would. I have always drooled over the RS. Coming from a STi to the mustang, it would feel reminiscent to the previous. Wouldn't bother me one bit if the deal worked out lol. Sorry, guys!
Something tells me I would be in the same boat if I went with the GT so I will hold out. The FoST isn't by any means a supercar or anything but it is still to date the car that has given me the most fun so I can only imagine what a more powerful, better handling version of that will be like. Some may argue that a GT is just that but as great as the handling is on the new Mustang I just don't see it in the same league as a properly configured rocket hatch. That V8 growl is still so damn tempting though...
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