GM is pulling back on EVs

[sk47]

Goodbye; I personally made a lot of money during covid. Things are fine from my standpoint. The economy could be doing much, much worse. Hate to be a situation where I had to buy a house or car....

Yea, and I didn't literally mean $100 a gallon. Gee wiz. At some point the right decision will be to purchase an EV based on cost alone. I don't think it is there yet. I do believe gas will factor into that decision depending on how much gas goes up.

Hello; So many things to correct. First is many folks got extra money "during the pandemic". Not all earned the extra funds. A very large amount of "stimulus" money was passed out in various programs. These program monies were parts of the massive, in the trillions, of spending during the pandemic.
The point you missed is that now, after the pandemic we are enduring the consequences of those reckless policies. For many times were good during the pandemic. Those "good times are now being paid for in the fullness of time. There is an old saying- "there is no free lunch". To me whatever good deal you may have had for the brief time of the pandemic is replaced by very much worse deals in the aftermath times.
That you would "hate " to be having to buy a car or house right now is just a small part of the aftermath. To be fair it was not only pandemic spending that triggered the current brutal inflation, there were other rounds of massive spending after the pandemic as well.

Gee wiz, you actually wrote of $100/gallon gas. Not sure how effective trying to walk that back will work. Lessens the impact of your arguments to be so frivolous. Does prove another point. That being the agenda against fossil fuels is real and has trickled down to your level. Part of the strategy to make BEV's appear affordable is to artificially increase the cost of gas and diesel. Too bad those planning the future failed to understand nearly all our goods, food included, are transported and grown/produced by diesel burning trucks. Yes, I know there are a few BEV big trucks. Seen any lately?

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[sk47]

Hello; So many things to correct. First is many folks got extra money "during the pandemic". Not all earned the extra funds. A very large amount of "stimulus" money was passed out in various programs. These program monies were parts of the massive, in the trillions, of spending during the pandemic.
The point you missed is that now, after the pandemic we are enduring the consequences of those reckless policies. For many times were good during the pandemic. Those "good times are now being paid for in the fullness of time. There is an old saying- "there is no free lunch". To me whatever good deal you may have had for the brief time of the pandemic is replaced by very much worse deals in the aftermath times.
That you would "hate " to be having to buy a car or house right now is just a small part of the aftermath. To be fair it was not only pandemic spending that triggered the current brutal inflation, there were other rounds of massive spending after the pandemic as well.

Gee wiz, you actually wrote of $100/gallon gas. Not sure how effective trying to walk that back will work. Lessens the impact of your arguments to be so frivolous. Does prove another point. That being the agenda against fossil fuels is real and has trickled down to your level. Part of the strategy to make BEV's appear affordable is to artificially increase the cost of gas and diesel. Too bad those planning the future failed to understand nearly all our goods, food included, are transported and grown/produced by diesel burning trucks. Yes, I know there are a few BEV big trucks. Seen any lately?

Hello; Here we go.

These Two Red Flags Could Spell Big Trouble For The Economy (msn.com)

 

[jtmat]

Hello; So many things to correct. First is many folks got extra money "during the pandemic". Not all earned the extra funds. A very large amount of "stimulus" money was passed out in various programs. These program monies were parts of the massive, in the trillions, of spending during the pandemic.
The point you missed is that now, after the pandemic we are enduring the consequences of those reckless policies. For many times were good during the pandemic. Those "good times are now being paid for in the fullness of time. There is an old saying- "there is no free lunch". To me whatever good deal you may have had for the brief time of the pandemic is replaced by very much worse deals in the aftermath times.
That you would "hate " to be having to buy a car or house right now is just a small part of the aftermath. To be fair it was not only pandemic spending that triggered the current brutal inflation, there were other rounds of massive spending after the pandemic as well.

Goodbye; I didn't (directly) receive "stimulus money". There you go "assuming" again.

Also, I didn't miss any points on covid policies. We are in a much, much better place than many would have expected. It is not perfect by any means. Not to say we won't have rough roads ahead of us, but no one can predict the future.

You want it to be a dumpster fire, but that is simply not the case. Try again.

Gee wiz, you actually wrote of $100/gallon gas. Not sure how effective trying to walk that back will work. Lessens the impact of your arguments to be so frivolous.

Forgot who I was dealing with. You attempt to take everything literally, but then have a cow when others do the same with your words. How many students did you fail again before getting fired? See how that works?

Does prove another point. That being the agenda against fossil fuels is real and has trickled down to your level.

I'm not against fossil fuels. You want it to be true so you can do the stale "us against them" that you love.

Part of the strategy to make BEV's appear affordable is to artificially increase the cost of gas and diesel.

I don't disagree with you here. Heck, what is the "real cost of gas and diesel"? Maybe you like funding OPEC and other countries.

Too bad those planning the future failed to understand nearly all our goods, food included, are transported and grown/produced by diesel burning trucks. Yes, I know there are a few BEV big trucks. Seen any lately?

EV trucks? Yes. Get away from the keyboard and you will as well. ICE trucks will be around for a while though. No denying that. We can revisit this in 2035 and see where we stand. You can cry "dream" all you want, but the fact is there is a plan in place and being executed.

No one claimed to be Thanos in the EV realm. Sounds like that is what you want happen (in more ways than one). Not real life.

 

[sk47]

Goodbye; I didn't (directly) receive "stimulus money". There you go "assuming" again.

Also, I didn't miss any points on covid policies. We are in a much, much better place than many would have expected. It is not perfect by any means. Not to say we won't have rough roads ahead of us, but no one can predict the future.

You want it to be a dumpster fire, but that is simply not the case. Try again.



Forgot who I was dealing with. You attempt to take everything literally, but then have a cow when others do the same with your words. How many students did you fail again before getting fired? See how that works?



I'm not against fossil fuels. You want it to be true so you can do the stale "us against them" that you love.



I don't disagree with you here. Heck, what is the "real cost of gas and diesel"? Maybe you like funding OPEC and other countries.



EV trucks? Yes. Get away from the keyboard and you will as well. ICE trucks will be around for a while though. No denying that. We can revisit this in 2035 and see where we stand. You can cry "dream" all you want, but the fact is there is a plan in place and being executed.

No one claimed to be Thanos in the EV realm. Sounds like that is what you want happen (in more ways than one). Not real life.

Hello; Thank you for saving me the trouble of pointing out the "spin" in your response. Anyone doing a moderately careful reading of the last few posts will pick out the spins.

 

[jtmat]

Silent Tesla Semi trucks run long and far as Pepsi tips how fast they charge on 750kW Megachargers

Published 08/05/2023​

It takes less than half an hour to top up a Tesla Semi electric rig to 95% battery capacity on the dedicated 750kW Megacharger stations that Pepsi uses for them, says one Semi driver. The trucks run for 12 hours a day, according to the beverage giant, while some go on trips that are as long as 450 miles.​

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As for the actual Tesla Semi range that the drivers have been observing, three of the 21 rigs that Pepsi runs for "about 12 hours a day" go on longer haul routes. These can range from 250 miles to 450 miles, pinpointing that the Semi's advertised 500-mile range is doable in real-life scenarios, at least for the weather conditions that Pepsi has been running its electric trucks in.​

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https://www.notebookcheck.net/Silen...ey-charge-on-750kW-Megachargers.738834.0.html​

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[K4fxd]

The fleet of 21 Tesla Semi trucks that Pepsi received with the help of a US$31 million grant from the California Air Resources Board

Pepsi lists that "charging time is 45 minutes for 0-75% state of charge," somewhat contradicting the driver's observations.

Tesla is now looking for government funding to install a number of stations

If it is so great, why the tax payer funding?

 

[jtmat]

If it is so great, why the tax payer funding?

You are going around in circles. We've been through that 100 times in this thread already. People have posted graphs, links, etc.

Let's be honest, you don't care to understand "why". That's fine. You can believe whatever you want. Why don't you tell us what you believe.

 

[Mitch03]

The fleet of 21 Tesla Semi trucks that Pepsi received with the help of a US$31 million grant from the California Air Resources Board

Pepsi lists that "charging time is 45 minutes for 0-75% state of charge," somewhat contradicting the driver's observations.

Tesla is now looking for government funding to install a number of stations

If it is so great, why the tax payer funding?

Thats the only way to get companies to buy into them…..plain and simple. Help pay for the trucks. Then the gov. Gives them another $40k per vehicle. it’s ridiculous!

 

[Mitch03]

You are going around in circles. We've been through that 100 times in this thread already. People have posted graphs, links, etc.

Let's be honest, you don't care to understand "why". That's fine. You can believe whatever you want. Why don't you tell us what you believe.

You cant even answer a simple question. What graph or link will explain why the tax payers have to pay For this ludicrous BS! If the trucks are so great they should sell without any funding at all. See how easy that was.

 

[jtmat]

You cant even answer a simple question. What graph or link will explain why the tax payers have to pay For this ludicrous BS! If the trucks are so great they should sell without any funding at all. See how easy that was.

You seem to be just joining the conversation. We've been through this in the thread 100 times. If you don't want to search the thread, that is your problem. Try google for answers.

Sorry if I'm not going around in circles with K4.

Like I said, you can believe whatever you want. Free country where I sit. I'm fine with that.

 

[K4fxd]

People have posted graphs, links, etc.

On 8 x 10 color glossy photographs with all the circles and arrows

 

[K4fxd]

https://www.torquenews.com/14335/tesla-semi-broken-down-details


Estimated Range:


We see the best case at 60 miles per hour using about 800 kWh. At 55 miles per hour, this is about 740 kWh and more efficient. A more realistic speed is 52.5 miles per hour.


Aero drag puts the vehicle at about 780 kWh. If the vehicle were to go 70 miles per hour on a drive, that would require 1187 kWh for 500 miles, but could take the semi at about 358 miles of range at 70 miles per hour.

So they are limited to 50 Mph for full range, they also weigh 8,000 lbs more than a diesel truck. So harder on the roads and do not pay any road tax. I could be wrong there.

 

[K4fxd]

https://news.yahoo.com/sacramento-metro-fire-crews-called-151502895.html

The vehicle had been involved in a collision several months ago and had been sitting idle when it “spontaneously caught fire.”

 

[K4fxd]

So harder on the roads and do not pay any road tax

Looks like IFTA is planning an EV truck tax.

 

[sk47]

Looks like IFTA is planning an EV truck tax.

Hello; Let us not forget the big over the road tractors will be many thousands of pounds heavier because of the massive battery packs. So to some degree the savings from running an electric motor in terms of emissions will be negatively offset by the tire particles. Tires will wear out faster also so additional expense. Also additional damage to roads from the extra weight/mass.

I have not checked into it but do seem to recall there is or was weight limits on highways. Maybe not so much the roadbeds, but bridges forsure. I see stories often about the poor state of major bridges. My best guess for now is the loads any BEV big trucks can carry will have to be smaller by the amount of extra weight the batteries add. So there will have to be a lot more BEV tractors to carry an equivalent amount of freight. I guess another "someday it will be fixed" thing.

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