GM is pulling back on EVs

[sk47]

We have plenty of oil, coal and natural gas right here in the USA. We do not need to depend on any other country for our energy needs.

Can't say more because it is POLITICS

Hello; I agree with you. Just trying to keep my response within the context of Burkey's post.

This EV, green energy and climate agenda is like a mythical hydra beast of many snakes instead of hair.
To take down a working and already built power grid and put us at the mercy of outsiders to please keep us supplied with things necessary for life is beyond foolish.

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[Burkey]

We have plenty of oil, coal and natural gas right here in the USA. We do not need to depend on any other country for our energy needs.

Can't say more because it is POLITICS

Whilst that is true, do you think your local producers are going to sell it way below market rate? Why would they? What is the incentive? All they need to do is slightly undercut the imported stuff. If the going rate is $50 a barrel globally, you’d have rocks in your head to sell it for much less than that.

Like most capitalists, I’d be selling for as much as I possibly could. Or does the free market suddenly not work like that?

 

[K4fxd]

Like most capitalists, I’d be selling for as much as I possibly could. Or does the free market suddenly not work like that?

Ha, ha, ha.... yes to answer would get me banned or locked out of this thread.

It was only a few years back the USA was a net exporter of energy.

I would support a law that says all oil, coal and natural gas produced in the US must stay in the US.

 

[Gregs24]

I have a friend who keeps invermectin in his house. He gave me a bottle now that the new oral chemo is really toxic to my system and it’s liquid. Take 2ml a day for 5 days and poof. Last week I started to cough and was getting a fever. I didn’t know if it was covid but I started the invermectin cycle and fever was gone within the fist 24 hrs and I feel great. COVID was the biggest catalyst for governments to concentrate power to themselves and we allowed it.

Crack on - guessing will only kill idiots 'trying' friend's medicines.

Last sentence is just your political paranoia coming out again and will get you / your posts banned again

 

[sk47]

Crack on - guessing will only kill idiots 'trying' friend's medicines.

Last sentence is just your political paranoia coming out again and will get you / your posts banned again

Hello; Using the threats of us being banned. Guess that means he touched a nerve of yours. Like Burkey it appears when we poke a truth at your favored agenda the ban threat comes out. I hope the moderators have reconsidered their approach after the way things turned out in the past.
You and some others boasted as to how you had all the correct information and accused others of posting misinformation. As it has turned out you had the faulty information on several aspects . A sad part being you still cling to some of that discredited agenda. I refer to what i call your "heads I win, tails you lose" spin about natural immunity.

 

[sk47]

As the West surges toward electric cars, here’s where the unwanted gas guzzlers go (msn.com)



Hello; Answers a question we have not asked before. I guess the climate activists have thought the old ICE’s will just be scrapped. I am sure some will be, but not all. Seems while the economy of my country takes a big hit to “save the planet” some of our old ICE vehicles will have a second life after all.

Makes me think of the “plastic recycling” ploy we now know was a false narrative for so many years.
I do think describing a Ford Focus as a "gas guzzler" is a bit telling.

 

[K4fxd]

Solar farms killing habitat, birds and displacing people.

Several years ago a farmer was arrested for plowing a fire break around his California home. The State said he destroyed habitat for some kind of rat.

Looks like saving your home is criminal but installing solar panels gets you a pass.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/solar-farms-took-over-california-100025850.html

He says one project bulldozed 600 acres of designated critical habitat for the endangered desert tortoise, while populations of Mojave fringe-toed lizards and bighorn sheep have also been afflicted. “We’re trying to solve one environmental problem by creating so many others.”

 

[K4fxd]

300 mile trip in 2 EV's and one gas car in an area with chargers.

The fuel car arrived in Panama City Beach in 5 hours and 18 minutes. The Tesla arrived 30 minutes later. However, the Bolt took much longer. A grand total drive time of 7 hours and 18 minutes.

Looks like the Bolt is a real loser.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ev-vs-fuel-channel-2-155244221.html

 

[GT 550]

the added benefit that you aren’t at the mercy of OPEC and their artificial control of the market.

Mate I'm not convinced that the energy market will be any better if EVs reach a tipping point, if there's a way to screw more money out of the masses by creating an irreversible dependency business will do it. And if rural and remote areas get shafted in the process because the infrastructure isn't available to support EVs it'll be taxes - not the profit makers - that fund what'll probably be a half arsed government sustainability plan to prolong fossil fuel availability in those areas no doubt involving payment of outrageous subsidies to the private sector who will pork-barrel while providing a barely workable threadbare service because government made itself a hostage to fortune.

If a car company buys a power company, be afraid. It's just a different Dracula in charge of a different bloodbank. Witness the behaviour of the power companies during the recent power price fiasco here and beyond.

 

[sk47]

Solar farms killing habitat, birds and displacing people.

Several years ago a farmer was arrested for plowing a fire break around his California home. The State said he destroyed habitat for some kind of rat.

Looks like saving your home is criminal but installing solar panels gets you a pass.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/solar-farms-took-over-california-100025850.html

He says one project bulldozed 600 acres of designated critical habitat for the endangered desert tortoise, while populations of Mojave fringe-toed lizards and bighorn sheep have also been afflicted. “We’re trying to solve one environmental problem by creating so many others.”

"Mojave yuccas can be up to 2,500 years old, while the humble creosote bush can live for over 10,000 years. These plants also sequester carbon in the form of glomalin, a protein secreted around the fungal threads connected to the plants’ roots, thought to store a third of the world’s soil carbon. “By digging these plants up,” says Kobaly, “we are removing the most efficient carbon sequestration units on the planet – and releasing millennia of stored carbon back into the atmosphere. Meanwhile, the solar panels we are replacing them with have a lifespan of around 25 years.”"

Hello; It is an old story. People make decisions without an understanding. The "green" agenda has blinders on, seeing only what fits their goals. There is an old saying, there is no free lunch. They see fossil fuels as evil. They see solar panels as good. Thing turns out to be to meet the high energy demands of our current societies any sources will have an impact.

If you go into the game deciding it is better to damage one ecosystem over some other, at least you are being honest. Trying to hide behind solar and wind are better for the environment is a deception. Just picking an environment over another. One additional irony is many folks get upset about oil drilling in remote Alaskan wilderness such as the porcupine range where hardly anyone visits yet, much less lives on. Then are OK with messing up a desert ecosystem with people living nearby.

I grew up in the low hills of SE KY. It was strip mine country for decades. My home town, Middlesborough KY, is in a meteor crater. I got to watch the strip mines cut scars in the slopes surrounding my hometown as I grew up.

"...we are removing the most efficient carbon sequestration units on the planet – and releasing millennia of stored carbon back into the atmosphere."

 

[K4fxd]

"...we are removing the most efficient carbon sequestration units on the planet – and releasing millennia of stored carbon back into the atmosphere."

Can't make this shit up.

 

[Gregs24]

Mate I'm not convinced that the energy market will be any better if EVs reach a tipping point, if there's a way to screw more money out of the masses by creating an irreversible dependency business will do it. And if rural and remote areas get shafted in the process because the infrastructure isn't available to support EVs it'll be taxes - not the profit makers - that fund what'll probably be a half arsed government sustainability plan to prolong fossil fuel availability in those areas no doubt involving payment of outrageous subsidies to the private sector who will pork-barrel while providing a barely workable threadbare service because government made itself a hostage to fortune.

If a car company buys a power company, be afraid. It's just a different Dracula in charge of a different bloodbank. Witness the behaviour of the power companies during the recent power price fiasco here and beyond.

You mean just like oil companies

 

[K4fxd]

You mean just like oil companies

Everytime the Saudis turn up the oil spicket gas prices come down. Let the oil companies drill and watch premium fall to 2 dollars a gallon.

 

[K4fxd]

swallow hard smile and champion it.

Thank you Sir, may I have another....

 

[Gregs24]

This is where the truth lies. To some folks who champion EVs they don’t care that electric companies will screw the masses because that’s something they back. People at their most basic level have their prejudices and we all know that. What’s happening now is this. Those who were the minority and didn’t have a voice, are becoming the majority, not because they are, but because the political climate and leadership is pushing in that direction. Much like transgenderism. It’s but a tiny part of society but you see it everywhere because the powers that be are shoving it in our face.
EVs will ultimately lead to a new way of screwing the populace but since the powers that be want to shift the winds of power those backing this will swallow hard smile and champion it.

Oil companies screw you at present

More politics from you - going going ....

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