Science is now cancelled? [USERS NOW BANNED FOR POLITICS]

[Gregs24]

More ridicule. If you watch any national news you would have seen this reported. One prominent place was a hospital whose employees sued due to the hospital requiring vaccines to remain employed.

Several weeks ago it was widely reported that States who locked down and States who did not had the same infection rates. I looked into it and also found Sweden's infection rate was also similar to the lock down areas.

We would have to throw Aus out due to the fact they were basically placed on house arrest. Not a place I would like to live.

Well in case you haven't noticed we don't get your 'national news'!

Well guess where the lockdowns were in the UK from the graph below. I'll give you a clue - it is when the cases are low and restrictions were lifted the cases rise. Clear cut evidence that lockdowns do work. Of course if you just have a pretend 'lockdown' that is neither a lockdown or complied with then the results will not be so obvious.

Just in case it is too difficult

Impact of lockdown on Covid-19 case fatality rate and viral mutations spread in 7 countries in Europe and North America | Journal of Translational Medicine | Full Text (biomedcentral.com)

Strict lockdown strategies together with a wide diagnostic PCR testing of the population were correlated with a relevant decline of the case fatality rate in different Countries

Mask adherence and rate of COVID-19 across the United States (plos.org)

You understanding of AUS is poor. Because of the draconian measures early on the country had a near normal summer last year with no COVID present in the country - far from house arrest.

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[Gregs24]

Havent they been saying the world's ending since the 70s?

I remember being in HS and hearing all that Global Warming bullshit, Manhattan and Miami still arent underwater

Oh that's OK then, don't worry about those that are because they are not in the US - therefore unimportant

 

[Gregs24]

Doesn't matter we are in a natural warming period, just like several other's. Man's contribution is minuscule .

A bit like you are in a natural moronic period ?

It has been explained over and over to you that this is not the case with factual evidence and yet still, a few days later, you just say the same things again. There is no hope ....

 

[JoeSpeed]

Oh that's OK then, don't worry about those that are because they are not in the US - therefore unimportant

Explain the decades where the False Profits (yes, I spelt it that way on purpose) were saying the world's gonna end in 5/10yrs.

Its 2021, nothing they ever really said came true

 

[Gregs24]

Then why did so many die in NY nursing homes?

By the way the masks do not work for covid, if they did the numbers would be a lot less.

Unfortunatly (or fortunately) the masks do work for the flu virus. I hope we don't get mask orders during flu season.

Wrong AGAIN

Read and learn if that is even possible for you

Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus | UC San Francisco (ucsf.edu)

An evidence review of face masks against COVID-19 | PNAS

 

[Gregs24]

Explain the decades where the False Profits (yes, I spelt it that way on purpose) were saying the world's gonna end in 5/10yrs.

Its 2021, nothing they ever really said came true

Who? Come on, who said the world would end in 5/10 years. - Assuming we discount the one below

 

[Gregs24]

I may be wrong but I think I remember being taught the flu virus lives on surfaces. We then place our hands on that surface then touch our face and that is how it spreads.

All the washing of hands and sanitation of surfaces stopped the flu, but did nothing to stop covid.

Very likely you are wrong! Surfaces are not the most likely route for spread of respiratory pathogens and that applies to Flu and COVID

How Flu Spreads | CDC

Incidentally viruses don't 'live' on surfaces. They may remain viable but there is a genuine question whether viruses are ever alive

Are Viruses Alive? - Scientific American

 

[shogun32]

@CJJon

What is your opinion on the data coming out of Israel with the vaccines only stopping spread by 40%?

I'll raise you the British health services disclosing >60% of hospitalizations (ie. serious illness) are from "fully vax'd" individuals.

if vaccines can’t stop the spread in any meaningful way?

They (Pfizer et. al.) NEVER claimed it was going to prevent infection - the textbook definition of an ACTUAL vaccine. It was pitched as a means of hopefully reducing the severity of illness WHEN (not if) you caught it.

That the ignorant media and even more ignorant public glommed onto the jab as "confers immunity - aka prevents illness" as every vaccine before 2020 has, was a conveniently overlooked "mis-understanding". When you get a shot for small pox, measles, polio you CAN NOT get it even if you bathe in a tank of pox and measles solution and dry off with a towel soaked in polio.

the jab is a fraud WRT it being a 'vax'. It's not in the slightest and the evidence is rapidly mounting that it's utterly ineffective in that regard.

 

[jtmat]

I'll raise you the British health services disclosing >60% of hospitalizations (ie. serious illness) are from "fully vax'd" individuals.

They released a correction... guy provided the wrong information. Imagine a human doing that?

Never mind the correction... sure some will see it as a MAJOR coverup!!!!

 

[CJJon]

@CJJon

What is your opinion on the data coming out of Israel with the vaccines only stopping spread by 40%?

Not questioning the data(still great protection against death), what do you think the path forward is if vaccines can’t stop the spread in any meaningful way?

Have you seen much talk of ADE? What is the overall feeling in the profession you are in about this?

Serious questions, not trying to debate you.

Have not looked closely at the Israeli data. It is probably more a sign that the virus is figuring us out than it is the vaccine doesn't 'work'. You are still much better off being vaccinated if you do happen to get sick (in terms of hospitalizations and death).

I am just looking at the data from my state and it isn't looking all that great. Trends are indeed going the wrong way. I am also working closely with other organizations and we are all very concerned about the variants and the unvaccinated. We are also seeing more breakthrough infections of the fully vaccinated. Working on sequencing now to see what variant.

ADE is not happening and the overall profession doesn't really mention it because it is not a clinical issue. The vaccines were designed with ADE in mind and they did a great job.

 

[CJJon]

I'll raise you the British health services disclosing >60% of hospitalizations (ie. serious illness) are from "fully vax'd" individuals.


They (Pfizer et. al.) NEVER claimed it was going to prevent infection - the textbook definition of an ACTUAL vaccine. It was pitched as a means of hopefully reducing the severity of illness WHEN (not if) you caught it.

That the ignorant media and even more ignorant public glommed onto the jab as "confers immunity - aka prevents illness" as every vaccine before 2020 has, was a conveniently overlooked "mis-understanding". When you get a shot for small pox, measles, polio you CAN NOT get it even if you bathe in a tank of pox and measles solution and dry off with a towel soaked in polio.

the jab is a fraud WRT it being a 'vax'. It's not in the slightest and the evidence is rapidly mounting that it's utterly ineffective in that regard.

Sterilizing immunity is rare for any vaccine, not just Covid. So that would be a pretty stupid reason not to get a vaccine.

Utterly ineffective? At something that was never claimed? Right...

 

[shogun32]

I do have some worries about ADE(probably unfounded) but if question 1 is yes, could this offset any problem we could encounter with ADE?

it's definitely founded. Every previous corona-virus 'vax' attempt and also combined with MRNA delivery has resulted in 100% death of the test subjects. This winter is going to be a fun one to watch.

 

[Gregs24]

I'll raise you the British health services disclosing >60% of hospitalizations (ie. serious illness) are from "fully vax'd" individuals.


They (Pfizer et. al.) NEVER claimed it was going to prevent infection - the textbook definition of an ACTUAL vaccine. It was pitched as a means of hopefully reducing the severity of illness WHEN (not if) you caught it.

That the ignorant media and even more ignorant public glommed onto the jab as "confers immunity - aka prevents illness" as every vaccine before 2020 has, was a conveniently overlooked "mis-understanding". When you get a shot for small pox, measles, polio you CAN NOT get it even if you bathe in a tank of pox and measles solution and dry off with a towel soaked in polio.

the jab is a fraud WRT it being a 'vax'. It's not in the slightest and the evidence is rapidly mounting that it's utterly ineffective in that regard.

This is commonly used by antivaxxers regarding vaccines being useless. BUT you need to look at it a bit more closely to understand the situation. To avoid having to re-type here is a post from another forum I frequent with a similar thread which helps to explain the situation:


The vaccine's primary role is to create immunity in the body, however the way this works and how long it lasts are variable. The vaccine stimulates antibodies and also t-cells which are part of the body's 'armoury' against infection. Some of these defences act locally such as in the mucous membranes of the airways and others act systemically through the blood. The method and location of this activity is important in determining what happens. Vaccines are always person dependent and so the general health of the individual and their immune system are always a factor in determining how effective that immunity is in any individual.

There are then complex stages depending on how the virus acts within the body as to what happens when challenged. In some vaccinated people (after 2 doses) they will be completely immune where the virus cannot replicate in the body. In others they will be largely immune where replication can take place but at a very low level. In others replication will evade the 'immunity' for a while and will replicate and maybe even be shed for a while before it is overcome. In a few they will still get ill and even die.

What the vaccine program does is skew this massively in favour of the former, so most people will not get ill or shed the virus, but some still will. The biggest factor however is the chance of becoming ill enough to go to hospital or subsequent death are massively reduced. This is orders of magnitude less - that significant.

What will happen with time is the virus will become endemic rather than a pandemic. It will continue to circulate but in general illness will be minor for those vaccinated. No country will ever eradicate COVID long term, lock downs and quarantine only buy time for vaccine roll out - at an incredible economic cost. Without a vaccine for COVID the world would be in a desperate situation.

It is also worth pointing out (as some of the anti vaxxers love to tell) that double vaccinated people will die. This is NOT because the vaccine is not working, it is because the vaccine is not 100% protective. If you have 10,000 unvaccinated people say 100 will die from COVID if infected, If you have 10,000 vaccinated people then maybe 2 will die. Both of these will have been vaccinated but far fewer died. So as the vaccinated population increases inevitably more of the people getting ill or dead will have been vaccinated, there will just not be very many of them.

 

[Gregs24]

it's definitely founded. Every previous corona-virus 'vax' attempt and also combined with MRNA delivery has resulted in 100% death of the test subjects. This winter is going to be a fun one to watch.

Lets see the data for that ?

 

[shogun32]

Utterly ineffective? At something that was never claimed? Right...

in the *mind of the public* it was "claimed".

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