Prices are on the rise......

[Epiphany]

oh that’s a loaded question. I’m a pro so I have two bodies.

canon 5DSR (I have a thing for products with a red R in their title) and a Canon R.

I have a EF 11-24 f/4 on the 5DSR and a Canon 85mm f/1.2 on the EOS R.

I swap between close ups and wide angles when I’m using both. Both are special lenses but the 85mm 1.2 just takes gorgeous pictures of people and cars and it’s so fast that you can shoot in almost absolute darkness or really get creamy bokeh.

the EF 11-24 is a special special lens that allows me to capture anything close in, so a tight garage of cars for instance.

I put the 70-200 f2.8 on the 5DSR if I’m shooting cars moving and on track. The 50.2mp allows me to endlessly crop in. The R isn’t as good for panning shots as it’s artificial view finder isn’t great for panning shots.

Try to only shoot in Manual setting, if you don’t the computer always wants to jack up the iso to a high number.

I'm hooked on aperture priority and need to step outside the box. I came from a 6D and now it's the R5. I picked up the Canon adapter (with circular polarizer - holy shit is it nice to use when glass or windows are involved) so I can use all my EF lenses and I also just got the Canon 50mm f1.2 for the R...over 2 grand. Not sure if I can swing it but I want the new 85 1.2 as well. These new lenses are unreal.

Thanks for the look inside.

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[Wildcardfox]

I'm hooked on aperture priority and need to step outside the box. I came from a 6D and now it's the R5. I picked up the Canon adapter (with circular polarizer - holy shit is it nice to use when glass or windows are involved) so I can use all my EF lenses and I also just got the Canon 50mm f1.2 for the R...over 2 grand. Not sure if I can swing it but I want the new 85 1.2 as well. These new lenses are unreal.

Thanks for the look inside.

the 85’s longer focal length so bokeh will be creamer. Try to learn Manual , it seems intimidating at first but it is the true way to master Photograhy. I only ever put it in TV or shutter priority if I’m in a pinch and I need to shoot a moving car.A good practice is to reassign your buttons so that the dials and buttons work for you, then focus on placing your iso at the lowest which for my 5DSR is 50, and then only worry about aperture and shutter. It’s all a game of light. If I’m running a fast lens like the 85mm if it’s a bright day, then I’ll always have enough light. If it it’s dim, then I have to play around with the shutter length to allow more light in or the open up the aperture to do the same. Regardless, if you’re not shooting in manual you’re not truly in control and it’s easy to have the picture being noisy or the whites to be blown out. So use that R5 and practice manual.

 

[svttim]

I'm sure there are a lot of R owners that paid that extra money and aren't super happy that their car's aren't much different from a base gt350. Not many people will admit it, though. For the money, the "race" version of this car should have been a lot more different.

4 seconds at VIR for the pre 19 models, 2 seconds for the R vs 19 Base. Not much difference? The R delivers exactly as promised and exactly where Ford promised. And I have owned both

 

[svttim]

I drove my R 7 hours from pick up. Both the wife and I were totally comfortable in the Recaros the entire time. I like the bolstering for posture correctness on long stints.

The lazyboy seats just don’t do it for me. Now, the seat covers from Shelby may could persuade me to think otherwise, but I’m totally ecstatic with mine.

For the money, it’s gonna be very hard to beat the 350R package. It’s comforting know that I am driving a car that is thoroughly track capable, yet comfy enough to actually GT with.

I have to say that it’s a looker as well, and that always helps in value.

Im sure driver size has a little to do with that

 

[460Fred]

Im sure driver size has a little to do with that

Absolutely. I’m not a small man but the Recaros were pretty comfortable during Track Attack. That said, I know they were well broken in and we really didn’t spend a whole lot of time in the car, a lot of in and out.
The Mrs put a cabash to the Recaros right out of the shoot.

 

[DrumReaper]

Im sure driver size has a little to do with that

Meh, I’m just 6’1”, 215 and wear a 48 coat. These 2020 HEP R seats are more snug on the bottom than the 2016 R seats but they’re still very comfortable for me.

The only downside to the recaros for me is the lack of head and neck support, which I feel is intentionally done so you can wear a helmet at the track, but I’ve got a plan to fix that.

 

[guzie]

4 seconds at VIR for the pre 19 models, 2 seconds for the R vs 19 Base. Not much difference? The R delivers exactly as promised and exactly where Ford promised. And I have owned both

It’s a matter of the tires and wheels for one. The R runs 30 series cup2 tires which are about .5” diameter smaller than the base Gt350 with its 35 series. Smaller tires give a bit lower overall gear ratio which increases acceleration. Put lighter wheels and series 30 tires on the GT350 along with them being comparable cup2 and that gap goes down. cup2 tires alone an account for 2 seconds a lap when compared to the gt350 rubber. Add the R rear spring and sway bar or better yet just add the FP upgrade set and your there. I ran right with another advanced driver in an R on Slicks with my GT350 on sticky street tires up until the very tight corner where his slicks stuck better. I was running R spec tire sizes.

 

[svttim]

It’s a matter of the tires and wheels for one. The R runs 30 series cup2 tires which are about .5” diameter smaller than the base Gt350 with its 35 series. Smaller tires give a bit lower overall gear ratio which increases acceleration. Put lighter wheels and series 30 tires on the GT350 along with them being comparable cup2 and that gap goes down. cup2 tires alone an account for 2 seconds a lap when compared to the gt350 rubber. Add the R rear spring and sway bar or better yet just add the FP upgrade set and your there. I ran right with another advanced driver in an R on Slicks with my GT350 on sticky street tires up until the very tight corner where his slicks stuck better. I was running R spec tire sizes.

So the suspension programing has nothing to do with it? Front Springs? Add this, add that and you can run with an R, or just buy one. The original claim was there is not much difference out of the showroom. Running against another driver, advanced or not says little about the car and a lot about the driver. Billy Johnson running the two cars on the same day is more about the car then driver and thats where those numbers come from. You can make any GT350 run with an R with upgrades. You can make a 350 base faster than an R. Thats not reality from the showroom. And again, I have owned both cars

 

[Wildcardfox]

I'm sure there are a lot of R owners that paid that extra money and aren't super happy that their car's aren't much different from a base gt350. Not many people will admit it, though. For the money, the "race" version of this car should have been a lot more different.

It’s a matter of the tires and wheels for one. The R runs 30 series cup2 tires which are about .5” diameter smaller than the base Gt350 with its 35 series. Smaller tires give a bit lower overall gear ratio which increases acceleration. Put lighter wheels and series 30 tires on the GT350 along with them being comparable cup2 and that gap goes down. cup2 tires alone an account for 2 seconds a lap when compared to the gt350 rubber. Add the R rear spring and sway bar or better yet just add the FP upgrade set and your there. I ran right with another advanced driver in an R on Slicks with my GT350 on sticky street tires up until the very tight corner where his slicks stuck better. I was running R spec tire sizes.

Interview with Shelby American President Gary Patterson about the differences between the base GT350 and the GT350R. This was him recalling a conversation about the differences with Ford development test driver Billy Johnson:

I said is the 350R really that much different? He goes “Yah”. I said, “So, can you quantify it?” He says “5-seconds at VIR.” “So where’s the time?” No more power: Tires, wheels, aero. The tires are worth 2-seconds. The aero is worth 2-seconds—wing in the back, less top speed, but better downforce; air damn in the front. The wheels are worth a second. I said “why?” Rotating mass, less unsprung weight, its also less flex. An aluminum wheel will actually bend a little more, that carbon wheel is very strong so you don’t get the flex and less rotating mass, so its worth a full second at VIR.

BTW motor is also different for at least pre-19 GT350s.

Vehicle’s main engineer at the GT500 media tour told me “If a person puts a base GT350 engine in a GT350R, then they no longer have an R” because the engines are different.

 

[key01]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2018-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-9/

It’s Honeybadger 2. This dude was working the warranty hard during his ownership. On his 3rd motor, along with all kinds of N/C receipts for additional dealer service.

 

[PP0001]

Interview with Shelby American President Gary Patterson about the differences between the base GT350 and the GT350R. This was him recalling a conversation about the differences with Ford development test driver Billy Johnson:

I said is the 350R really that much different? He goes “Yah”. I said, “So, can you quantify it?” He says “5-seconds at VIR.” “So where’s the time?” No more power: Tires, wheels, aero. The tires are worth 2-seconds. The aero is worth 2-seconds—wing in the back, less top speed, but better downforce; air damn in the front. The wheels are worth a second. I said “why?” Rotating mass, less unsprung weight, its also less flex. An aluminum wheel will actually bend a little more, that carbon wheel is very strong so you don’t get the flex and less rotating mass, so its worth a full second at VIR.

BTW motor is also different for at least pre-19 GT350s.

Vehicle’s main engineer at the GT500 media tour told me “If a person puts a base GT350 engine in a GT350R, then they no longer have an R” because the engines are different.

Brett, you and Tim (and of course Billy Johnson) have summed all that has to be said about this issue.

 

[stanglife]

This is a tough conversation between enthusiasts... Non-R owners want to believe they got some kind of better deal because the cars are "pretty much the same". R owners want to believe their money was well spent. It's all subjective and if you're happy, then good.

As an 2x R owner, I can say that even if the results were less measurable or if you couldn't "feel" the difference much in an R - I'd still pay the upcharge. If the only thing I gained was cool wheels and a wing and I just want to take it to cars and coffee, I dare anyone to tell me that I spent MY money wrong. That is all.

Can we get back to the values changing on these cars, please?

 

[FreePenguin]

This is a tough conversation between enthusiasts... Non-R owners want to believe they got some kind of better deal because the cars are "pretty much the same". R owners want to believe their money was well spent. It's all subjective and if you're happy, then good.

As an 2x R owner, I can say that even if the results were less measurable or if you couldn't "feel" the difference much in an R - I'd still pay the upcharge. If the only thing I gained was cool wheels and a wing and I just want to take it to cars and coffee, I dare anyone to tell me that I spent MY money wrong. That is all.

Can we get back to the values changing on these cars, please?

the wing is awesome though, if money was no object, id get the top of whatever I could. the wing though is beautiful.

 

[Stage_3]

Not sure if any of you guys have been looking at 2019 ZR1 cars, but I have.
HOLY CRAP BALLS!!!! LOL
They are now more money used than what they were brand new!!!! I've seen 4 or 5 of them at the same dealership for 170k a piece!!

 

[nmp1]

Not sure if any of you guys have been looking at 2019 ZR1 cars, but I have.
HOLY CRAP BALLS!!!! LOL
They are now more money used than what they were brand new!!!! I've seen 4 or 5 of them at the same dealership for 170k a piece!!

A lot of cars are selling for more used than they were new. Some are a lot more. Crazy time right now.

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