Fossil Fuels are Not the Enemy

[Burkey]

Science is not spitting out hundreds of climate model predictions based on wishful thinking and hunches. Most of your so called research is a never ending series of claims and computer models that NEVER come close to the predicting the future and can't explain the actual data from the past. So many wild claims and scare tactics like "the temperature will rise by 5 degrees in 30 years" only to be off by 4.3 out of 5, "The world will end in 13 years", "Glacier National Park will be glacier free by 2020" bullshit. They had to take the signs down at the park over a year ago because the glaciers have been actually growing the last few years. If their research was correct, their predictions would be correct, but they aren't, They Are WRONG! You Are WRONG! and your name calling is way out of line.

Just look at the historical data dude, your side is putting it's finger on the scale and admitted as such in the "climategate" email scandal. Your buddy, the dimwit J.F. Kerry admitted last week that if the U.S. was at zero carbon emissions it would not change the temperature one bit. But that is not stopping them from throwing money away, putting people out of work and burdening the people that they claim to want to help Poor and middle class are being subjected to higher taxes and energy prices, all to give money to their buddies, institutions and politicians that support their socialistic ideals.

You mean, can’t predict the future, except for the 40 odd years that they’ve been predicting average global temp with alarming accuracy...
I suppose you didn’t know about that either right?
I just can’t facepalm hard enough right now.

As far as “sides“ are concerned, you have a group of people who can and will change their minds as the evidence changes. The other side is a group of people, who by definition, cannot change their mind, regardless of the data.
To put it bluntly, if the current data-set doesn’t convince you, it’s unlikely that anything ever could.
Thats foundational to being a skeptic though right?

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[K4fxd]

40 odd years that they’ve been predicting average global temp with alarming accuracy...

Really, they can't even predict temps 2 weeks out

They started predicting doom and gloom in the late 1980's. None of the predictions have come true.Islands were supposed to be underwater, Coastal cities flooded ect......

 

[sk47]

Burkey, I think you are either a troll, mentally challenged or brainwashed. You must have had your access to actual research and real data blocked by a government that wants to put you in your place on a commune working for them.

I find it very difficult that anyone into Mustangs enough to be a member of this can support their "Green Agenda" or the elimination of petroleum products, which itself is almost impossible if you like phones, cars, trains, food, houses, and pretty much everything that makes our world awesome.

Hello; I caught that irony as well. A guy who owns a GT Mustang giving us grief over fossil fuels and global warming. I spent over thirty years as a science/Biology teacher and had lots of environmental units included in the physical and general science classes. I could comment on the subject but it seems pretty clear my take would be dismissed the first time I made a statement which went against the current agenda. Even if the comment made sense and could be backed up.

One of the things I will have to deal with if I ever get the deal and situation I want on a GT Mustang is reconciling my personal attitude about the impact that will make. Most of my life I have striven to have as small of an impact as I can. I use less than a 1000 gallons of water each month on average. My electric bill for my current house is around $200 a month less that it was for the previous owners. I stay cooler in the winter and only run the central air a few nights during the hot season.
I had a vasectomy when in my twenties so have not brought any children into the world to further consume and impact the environment. I guess I can use these things as a rationalization to justify having a GT.

Here is a thought. Lets say that some how during the last glaciation episode on the north American content the humans alive then began to notice how the glaciers were receding and things were getting warmer. Can it be imagined they were sitting around the fires and being worried about how they were changing their world and causing the extinction of woolly mamouths and the like. That they were cutting down the forest and burning. Would they have wanted to keep the climate from changing?
In a sense this was just a blink of time on the overall scale of the planet or even human time scale. Maybe 10,000 years or so ago. Sure, as has been pointed out, the climate will change as it has been doing for all time. Maybe we humans are having some part to do with it at some level, but I do not think we are the main causes. Do you think we would be better off had the humans "saved the planet" the way it was 10,000 years ago?

There are some sad truths. One is as Mr. Kerry stated even if we went to zero CO2 tomorrow the warming would not be stopped or changed.
Another is many of the save the planet from global warming types continue to overpopulate the planet.
The last idea, but not a proven truth, is our Co2 emissions may have postponed another glacial period for a while. That was the big climate idea just a few decades ago. Had the same sort of scientific backing as global warming does today.

Lastly global warming is small potatoes compared to some other problems looming for the overpopulated planet.

 

[Burkey]

Really, they can't even predict temps 2 weeks out

They started predicting doom and gloom in the late 1980's. None of the predictions have come true.Islands were supposed to be underwater, Coastal cities flooded ect......

If you’d spent any amount of time actually doing the most rudimentary research, you’d know that long term average global temp is easier to predict than local variations for day to day.
Tell me more about the islands that YOU think should‘ve been submerged already...
Can you cite the authors of that particular paper? Where was it published for peer-review? How well was it received by climatologists?

What do you know about plate tectonics? Any qualifications in oceanography?

Mr. Heller once claimed that ocean level rise should be equal across the entire planet, demonstrating how tenuous his grip of the various disciplines really is.

 

[K4fxd]

If you’d spent any amount of time actually doing the most rudimentary research, you’d know that

the heating and cooling of planet Earth is mostly due to cycles of the Sun and the axis wobble.

Al Gore said on national TV Islands would be underwater by the year 2012. Name one thing the climate change doom sayers said that has come true.

 

[Burkey]

I feel that some of you skeptics should actually take the time to watch this and try and come up with alternative explanations as to how exactly the Earth has warmed and cooled over the eons, despite solar irradiance (typically) increasing over the history of this planet.
Id also like you to explain how greenhouse gases can’t alter the global temp, even though they’ve been doing it since the birth of the planet.

 

[Burkey]

the heating and cooling of planet Earth is mostly due to cycles of the Sun and the axis wobble.

Al Gore said on national TV Islands would be underwater by the year 2012. Name one thing the climate change doom sayers said that has come true.

There’s no doubt that the sun plays a critical role in the global temp. Nobody has ever disputed that simple fact.
now try and explain why the planet has warmed for the past few decades when the sun is actually cooler than it was in recent history.

Who cares what Al Gore says? Is he a research scientist? Care to cite any papers he’s published?
It’s as if you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how this all works. Seriously.

 

[DougS550]

Regular was $1.60 in the final days of the previous administration, now it's $1.90. It gets even more depressing when you talk about premium prices. Waging war on American energy is abject stupidity, but here we are. John Kerry wants you to peddle your bicycle to work, while he burns up the atmosphere everywhere he goes on his private jet. He can afford the increased prices, the rest of us will just have to suffer in order to feed his ego. I'd like to do a line lock on his oversized forehead.

Are these fucksticks ever going to engage in a conversation on nuclear energy?

You got to be cautious. The Moderator doesn't share your beliefs.

 

[K4fxd]

The main green house gas is water vapor. The Co2 levels are almost at starvation levels for plants. ( look it up )

I can prove water vapor on any winter overcast night. What the hell are you and your climate doom sayers going to do about water vapor?

Al Gore and his type started this doom and gloom power grab.

 

[Burkey]

The main green house gas is water vapor. The Co2 levels are almost at starvation levels for plants. ( look it up )

I can prove water vapor on any winter overcast night. What the hell are you and your climate doom sayers going to do about water vapor?

Al Gore and his type started this doom and gloom power grab.

You say that as if it’s somehow a novel concept or that people with vastly more understanding than yourself haven’t already thought of it. Dunning-Krueger much?

Yes, water vapour is more potent than CO2. Want to know how to get more water vapour into the atmosphere? Heat the atmosphere a bit. How do you do that? You add some C02, or solar irradiance....or both.
Now, if you’d taken the time to actually watch the video, you’d realise that water vapour falls out of suspension very easily (and regularly). By contrast, the half-life of CO2 is the best part of 3 decades.
This is why scientists allow for water vapour in their projections but don’t list it as a primary driver of long-term climate change/global average temp.

Next you’re going to tell me that methane is also a GHG...

 

[K4fxd]

like I said you swallowed it

Outside of nucluar weapons you really think we can destroy this planet. Grow up

 

[HoosierDaddy]

The main green house gas is water vapor. The Co2 levels are almost at starvation levels for plants. ( look it up )

I can prove water vapor on any winter overcast night. What the hell are you and your climate doom sayers going to do about water vapor?

This is why I don't worry.

Worst case scenario? A $%#& load of:

 

[Reddirocket27]

This is like listening to toddlers argue over which crayon to use.

Every OEM is going electric, get over it. Enjoy your V8's now, and move on.

Stop crying.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Every OEM is going electric, get over it.

They're not going there as the result of internal business decisions free from external pressures and agendas . . .


Norm

 

[MIDLYFE]

How does one charge an electric vehicle?

Where do EV batteries come from?

Where does the cobalt, lithium and nickel needed for EV microchips come from?

EV's account for about 2% of all vehicles today. When EV's make up 100% of vehicles on the road how will we charge them? And what will be the environmental impacts on the countries where the mining for batteries takes place?

What will be the environmental impact incurred from all of the used batteries?

What will be the environmental impact be from the mining necessary for EV microchips?

Where are the solar panels currently being used throughout America made?

If solar panels are so clean, why do they produce so much toxic waste?

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