Fossil Fuels are Not the Enemy

[MIDLYFE]

AMEN BROTHER!

While these assholes preach one thing, they do the complete opposite.
Is it a scam?!?! OH ABSOLUTELY!!!!!! We make politicians more rich, more powerful and able to buy more toys, while we go backwards. STUPID!!!!

Turns out we live in a Hypocrisy.

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[Ruby_Ruby19]

I'd buy an EV if it got 1000 miles per charge and took 5 minutes to recharge.

Soon as they take over, electricity prices will go through the roof. It is going to be ugly. Electric companies already complain the grid can't handle what we

I'd buy an EV if it got 1000 miles per charge and took 5 minutes to recharge.

Soon as they take over, electricity prices will go through the roof. It is going to be ugly. Electric companies already complain the grid can't handle what we are doing now in some places.

I do worry about how clean they are at end of life. How much can we recycle? Do we save now and pay higher price later?

Yeah because current gasoline/diesel powered cars do that now???

People act as if as soon as we have more EV'S these recycling plants will be over run with huge batteries.

 

[EFI]

Uhhhhhh... those are cooling towers. That "stuff" being emitted is water vapor.

Ah, so that's what you call the result of burning coal or natural gas in the electrical world.

When you burn coal to generate heat in a house it's dirty and toxic, but when you burn coal to generate electricity it's just water vapor.

Got it.

 

[dpAtlanta]

Ah, so that's what you call the result of burning coal or natural gas in the electrical world.

When you burn coal for heat generation it's dirty and toxic, but when you burn coal to generate electricity it's just water vapor.

Got it.

Those are cooling towers & that is water vapor.
That photo was probably used for the Shock & Awe to make a point... the average person (you) thinks that it is exhaust gas from a combustion process.
Fossil fuel plants do have exhaust stacks, but they don't shock the average person to jump on board with an agenda being pushed.

You did show us a photo of water vapor my friend...!!!

 

[EFI]

Those are cooling towers & that is water vapor.
That photo was probably used for the Shock & Awe to make a point... the average person (you) thinks that it is exhaust gas from a combustion process.
Fossil fuel plants do have exhaust stacks, but they don't shock the average person to jump on board with an agenda being pushed.

You did show us a photo of water vapor my friend...!!!

True, I just took the first picture I found on google, but it doesn't take away from the point that a vast majority of electricity generation is a dirty business with fossil fuel emissions just like most cars on the road today. And that is only half the equation of the dirtiness of EV cars with the other being the mining and disposing of the materials for batteries.

All that was in a response to a member saying that going EV is to get rid of cancerous fossil fuels, but doesn't see the irony of it.

 

[Ruby_Ruby19]

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Those are cooling towers & that is water vapor.
That photo was probably used for the Shock & Awe to make a point... the average person (you) thinks that it is exhaust gas from a combustion process.
Fossil fuel plants do have exhaust stacks, but they don't shock the average person to jump on board with an agenda being pushed.

You did show us a photo of water vapor my friend...!!!

True, I just took the first picture I found on google, but it doesn't take away from the point that a vast majority of electricity generation is a dirty business with fossil fuel emissions just like most cars on the road today. And that is only half the equation of the dirtiness of EV cars with the other being the mining and disposing of the materials for batteries.

All that was in a response to a member saying that going EV is to get rid of cancerous fossil fuels, but doesn't see the irony of it.

Fossil fuels, refining, mining are going to stay as a important piece of how we live.

EV's will eventually replace a majority if not all gasoline/diesel powered vehicles within the next 3 decades. It's just the way it is.

We went from horses, to locomotives, to steam powered cars, then gasoline, no EV.

 

[ice445]

True, I just took the first picture I found on google, but it doesn't take away from the point that a vast majority of electricity generation is a dirty business with fossil fuel emissions just like most cars on the road today. And that is only half the equation of the dirtiness of EV cars with the other being the mining and disposing of the materials for batteries.

All that was in a response to a member saying that going EV is to get rid of cancerous fossil fuels, but doesn't see the irony of it.

Natural gas power is actually extremely clean, with very few byproducts besides CO2. Coal is disgustingly dirty, with tons of extra problematic emissions and fly ash that has to be stored. I'll reiterate that an industrial scale natural gas power station is extremely efficient at generating electricity. The average electric vehicle has an efficiency rating of 80 to 90% at converting said electricity to movement. A gasoline engine, to be generous, may hit 40% in the most efficient engines. Gasoline itself is extremely energy dense per KG, but burning it the way an engine does generates a lot of waste heat that is lost.

 

[EFI]

The average electric vehicle has an efficiency rating of 80 to 90% at converting said electricity to movement. A gasoline engine, to be generous, may hit 40% in the most efficient engines. Gasoline itself is extremely energy dense per KG, but burning it the way an engine does generates a lot of waste heat that is lost.

Well that also means that the electric vehicle doesn't have much headroom, while the ICE can be greatly improved.

Also as mentioned before, electricity generation is only half the issue. When you add the environmental impact of making and disposing of batteries it brings the whole thing alot closer.

Look I'm not hating or doubting that the EV is the semi-short term solution to our transportation solutions, what I don't get is the whole hype that going EV is "clean, emission-free, will save the climate as is". Like somehow electricity and batteries come outta the thin blue sky and everything is peachy. That's what bothers me about the EV is the future fanatics (not you guys, but most EV owners or preachers).

 

[RPDBlueMoon]

Turns out we live in a Hypocrisy.

It's almost like politicians are the ones who sit back and laugh as you all bicker.

 

[RPDBlueMoon]

It’s sad so few people understand economics. It’s not sexy but it can’t be cheated in the long term.

Oil is what made the world grow. At this piont there is no substitute that’s economically viable. Oil is energy and we need cheap energy to keep this world working.

It’s estimated we have pumped about 500 billion man lives worth of energy out of the ground. That’s where the prosperity of the last 100 years came from. You can print money but you can’t print energy.

This is sad truth and actually pretty scary when you think about it. The human population remained relatively stable and didn't start to increase dramatically until the 1800s when the Industrial Revolution happened. It first hit 1 billion shortly around that time and has only been dramatically increasing ever more. The world population has doubled since the 1970s, and set to reach 10 billion (currently at 8) by 2050.

The oil industry did a very good job in misleading the public into believing that you can recycle plastics. Its like only ~10% of plastic gets recycled. Certainly wouldn't be the first time that they have done something like that. To make matters worse now there is an accumulation of microplastics in our environment and in our bodies.

Even if EVs come out the world will still be heavily reliant on oil for energy. If there was a way to truly and entirely replace oil with something clean and renewable, that would be perhaps the biggest achievement in human history.

EVs are not new and have been around for ages, I wonder what happened back in the day that made gasoline engines to dominate the scene instead of EVs.

 

[Stage_3]

It's almost like politicians are the ones who sit back and laugh as you all bicker.

And take our money.

 

[Matti777]

It's almost like politicians are the ones who sit back and laugh as you all bicker.

Yeah its all poliitics, money and trying to make a name for themselves before they die. Science is optional.

 

[gamecoc430]

EV cars won't make it for long once we all start driving them. Roads are built and maintained by road taxes on each gallon of gas. Take away the gas cars, no more gas sales, no more dollars for the roads. Replace them with EVs and the roads will just go away without gas tax funding to maintain them. Maybe the gov't ought to be looking toward electric powered helicopters since they won't need roads!

 

[Matti777]

Drones are coming too. A guy at work is planning to buy one. Apparently it can carry 2 people. I said 'isn't that a helicopter?'

 

[ice445]

EV cars won't make it for long once we all start driving them. Roads are built and maintained by road taxes on each gallon of gas. Take away the gas cars, no more gas sales, no more dollars for the roads. Replace them with EVs and the roads will just go away without gas tax funding to maintain them. Maybe the gov't ought to be looking toward electric powered helicopters since they won't need roads!

No offense but this is literally the easiest of the issues to overcome.

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