What Happened to my America?

[Sivi70980]

Can we add political correctness?

I think so. Could also be a byproduct of the other two, they kind of create a thicker skin. I actually miss the days of talking to random people without any fear involved. Luckily my neighbors are older so we actually wave and communicate.

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[Sivi70980]

I'll tell you what happened--God has been removed from most of society. God has been removed from classrooms. More than ever, a lot of people think God doesn't exist. Without the fear (awesome respect) of God, society breaks down into chaos. Remember the great Roman empire? It's gone because God was tossed way like a piece of trash.

The classic family structure (Mother, Father, children) is getting rarer. People are focusing more on feelings rather than facts. People blaming others for their own failures. People go to so-called "experts" for help, instead of reading, understanding (key point here), and obeying the Bible.



It's astounding when someone makes seemingly sincere, serious observations that seem to be the exact opposite of the truth.

In fact, the loss of Truth (capital "T") is a serious, serious, serious ass problem.

We have a ever growing numbers of people who think that humans never landed on the moon, think the planet is flat, who think COVID is a hoax. We have plenty of people, probably even on this forum, who can't do the math well enough to see how unlocking millions of tons of carbon from the ground and putting it back into the atmosphere measurably and predictably makes the climate warmer.

These are usually the same people who are brainwashed by a political interest to believe the wrong thing...who want to pay less taxes and destroy public education...all to keep the masses stupid and preserve the social hierarchy with white men kneeling on everyone else's throats.

Sadly, it's working.


It's ironic how some claim "truth" when it is actually a bunch of lies, especially when perpetuated by the liberal media. The climate changes every hour of every day. Predictions of future climate change "damage" have been going on for over a hundred years, and NONE have come true. I know of someone who has been working in a national climate laboratory for close to 30 years. This person also has a PhD in meteorology. He said there is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever of mankind causing "global warming."

It's also ironic that some want to pay MORE taxes to the government. Why would anyone want to give them more of your paycheck? The government isn't known for efficiency. The government also isn't responsible for taking care of you.

By the way, it was only ONE white man who knelt on that person's throat, and he should be in jail.

Some of us believe religion is just another form of control. Just another mechanic use by few to control many. It's a book, written by humans. All humans have agendas...every last one of us. Saying all of this, I'm happy to all who believe in whatever makes and keeps them happy.

 

[Briebee72]

Why is it everyone blames politics? This is my point in my original post. I knew going in this thread would just turn into a politics rant. It is not politics. People are closed minded asshats and that’s the problem not the politics. Put labels on whatever you like. Its because they are a liberal or not a democrat or not a republican or not...and so on. People love to blame things instead of owning that just maybe the problem is themselves and others attitudes and general I don’t give a F#@$ attitude. Politics have nothing to do with the asshat neighbor who likes to annoy the entire neighborhood. Politics have nothing to do with people cutting people off in traffic not letting them merge and being generally jackasses. Politics have nothing to do with disrespectful little shits who forget they too will get old and disrespect elders calling them boomers, Karens and such. Politics have nothing to do with the jerks with cell phones causing trouble to get famous.

How does ones political affiliation make or not make one an asshole? Bottom line is respect and the fact this country has lost it. The problem is people not politics. Politics don’t make you feel like you are not a man or woman. All these people wanting to be a gender not assigned is not political that’s personal. Racism is not political it’s the closed minded individuals feelings. Again and so on.... none of this is political

How many of you here blaming the political parties and government listen to the government when they tell you anything? Most if not all of us ignore the government. So how can you sit there and say well its because the government tells them too?

Bottom line people need to stop being jackasses and grow up. Take responsibility and stop blaming others and the government for their issues.

Let’s put this in car people speak. You speed I speed; it is fun it breaks the law. The government tells us not too. We dismiss it and do it anyway cause like I said who listens to the government. Yet then when there is an accident we go well they should do something about that. Well they did and we did not listen. Then we blame the government for not doing anything instead of us not speeding in the first place. Its our fault its always our faults we make the choices not the government. People need to grow up.

 

[Briebee72]

OK, but my original post was about the past and the last 10 or so years leading up to now and I specifically said not counting current events so.... But on current events it’s not political party affiliated. A cop putting his knee on a guy’s neck has zero to do with politics and everything to do with he is a waste of space. The people who organize and want to talk and make change peacefully sure, political. The people running around burning things and looting and so on... well that’s just seriously f%^$ed up moral compass taking advantage of a situation to show your ass. How in the world can you blame any of this on a particular party? IN what way would any political party stop any of this? Racism either real or perceived and the fallout from it has got exactly zero to do with politics and everything to do with peoples individual moral compass and peoples likes, dislike and disresect for others based of cultural differences. Which right now no one’s needle points north regardless of affiliation.

 

[Caballus]

OK, but my original post was about the past and the last 10 or so years leading up to now and I specifically said not counting current events so.... But on current events it’s not political party affiliated. A cop putting his knee on a guy’s neck has zero to do with politics and everything to do with he is a waste of space. The people who organize and want to talk and make change peacefully sure, political. The people running around burning things and looting and so on... well that’s just seriously f%^$ed up moral compass taking advantage of a situation to show your ass. How in the world can you blame any of this on a particular party? IN what way would any political party stop any of this? Racism either real or perceived and the fallout from it has got exactly zero to do with politics and everything to do with peoples individual moral compass and peoples likes, dislike and disresect for others based of cultural differences. Which right now no one’s needle points north regardless of affiliation.

Very good points. Perhaps the title to the thread should be "What Happened to OUR America?" The responses will be as varied as the diverse backgrounds that make up our nation. A clear-eyed look at the past will reveal that OUR America is still under construction, and our great democratic experiment will always be under construction. We have come a long way and have a long way to go. Hopefully, COVID, Mr. Floyd, Mr. Arbery, the Central Park bird watcher, the medical professionals on the front lines, the LEOs trying to do the right thing, the non-violent protesters...will serve as an inflection point that causes us (not the politicians we pay to represent us) to come together and map out the route for moving OUR America to the next step. That begins at the local level, not in a capitol building or an executive building.

 

[Bikeman315]

I'm not forgeting your post or history as what you say is true. But you're in the 19th century and I'm in the 20th. Yes, back in the late 1800's the political leanings of the KKK was Democratic. But that changed in 1948 and the KKK as we know it today is a group of fully ultra right wing extremists. I'm sorry but bringing up the KKK as Democratic in 2021 is just ridiculus.

And what does the KKK and Democrats have to do with Trump? Why to Trumpets always fall back on TDS? The answer is because you have nowhere else to go. You hate the Clinton's, Obama, Biden and quite frankly all Liberal Democrats. Why can't we hate Trump and all Conservative Republicans? Or don't you believe in what's good for the goose is good for the gander?

 

[Bikeman315]

By the way, it was only ONE white man who knelt on that person's throat, and he should be in jail.

You are absolutely correct, but there were three others that stood around and did nothing. They belong in jail too.

 

[Bikeman315]

Some of us believe religion is just another form of control. Just another mechanic use by few to control many. It's a book, written by humans. All humans have agendas...every last one of us. Saying all of this, I'm happy to all who believe in whatever makes and keeps them happy.

God is faith, organized religion is a business. I was told that by a rabbi and a priest. More people have died on this planet due to religion than any other cause. I'm all for faith, everyone has a right to their beliefs. But when organized religion, of any faith, gets involved the ending usually isn't good.

 

[martinjlm]

You are absolutely correct, but there were three others that stood around and did nothing. They belong in jail too.

Definition of nothing depends on camera angle. Autopsy points to compression of the neck and back.

“World renowned medical examiner Dr. Michael Baden and Dr. Allecia Wilson found the manner of Mr. Floyd’s death was homicide caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain."

Charges for the other three officers are expected to land today. No indication of what those charges are likely to be.

 

[martinjlm]

God is faith, organized religion is a business. I was told that by a rabbi and a priest. More people have died on this planet due to religion than any other cause. I'm all for faith, everyone has a right to their beliefs. But when organized religion, of any faith, gets involved the ending usually isn't good.

I have a saying. "Faith brings people together; Religion divides faith"

 

[Caballus]

Yes, back in the late 1800's the political leanings of the KKK was Democratic. But that changed in 1948 and the KKK as we know it today is a group of fully ultra right wing extremists. I'm sorry but bringing up the KKK as Democratic in 2021 is just ridiculus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

Edit: note party affiliation(s).

 

[Interceptor]

United Nations Agenda 21-2030
Arresting people for Cov 19 but not arresting rioters
Media constantly causing division, deception
Our population wanting socialism which turns to communism
Politicians attempting to destroy a standing President, and no one charged. Even tho they have been proven how they corrupted the legal system
Financially threatening political opponents with IRS audits

The days of this country being a country of law is gone. Truly if you are a well heeled politician you will never be charged, must less arrest. Only the little people like Flynn.

America is going right where the powers to be, want it to go, into revolution so they can step in and take over. People all over the world proved this during all the Cov-19 lockdowns, they are willing to give up all their rights because of fears.

I'm on my way out of here maybe with in next 10 years, so I'm just watching the sheep. Don't look up in 20 years and wonder what happen, you did. You let it happen.
Look at the world's history from 1900 to 1940, its repeating.

 

[martinjlm]

United Nations Agenda 21-2030
Arresting people for Cov 19 but not arresting rioters
Media constantly causing division, deception
Our population wanting socialism which turns to communism
Politicians attempting to destroy a standing President, and no one charged. Even tho they have been proven how they corrupted the legal system
Financially threatening political opponents with IRS audits

The days of this country being a country of law is gone. Truly if you are a well heeled politician you will never be charged, must less arrest. Only the little people like Flynn.

America is going right where the powers to be, want it to go, into revolution so they can step in and take over. People all over the world proved this during all the Cov-19 lockdowns, they are willing to give up all their rights because of fears.

I'm on my way out of here maybe with in next 10 years, so I'm just watching the sheep. Don't look up in 20 years and wonder what happen, you did. You let it happen.
Look at the world's history from 1900 to 1940, its repeating.

Interesting. In Michigan, people violating Stay-At-Home orders are given a ticket, not jailed. On the other hand, peaceful protesters and reporters have been jailed along with rioters.

 

[Bikeman315]

Briebee72 said: Why is it everyone blames politics?

Because everyone has an ax to grind and politics makes it easy. Here are the states with the biggest outbreaks. Now the cities are Democratic. This is due largely to large populations and a diverse racial, ethnic and religious makeup. But the States. Might want to look again Bill before blaming Democrats. Where are the Republican governors and why aren't they doing anything. Oh right, they are blaming the Democrats too.

City Governor Mayor

Minneapolis Democrat Democrat
New York Democrat Democrat
Los Angeles Democrat Democrat
Miami Republican Republican
Nashville Republican Democrat
Salt Lake City Republican Democrat
Cleveland Republican Democrat
Raleigh Democrat Democrat
Louisville Democrat Democrat
Atlanta Republican Democrat
Dallas Republican Democrat
Washington DC —————- Democrat

 

[IronG]

This is an interesting thread. The intent of the framers of the DoI and Constitution (mainly Madison, Jefferson and Franklin) was to create a society that was fair for all in providing opportunities to basically have a good life. They knew there was no perfect way to do this, but tried to put together some guidelines and guardrails to help foster it. Every generation and government that has come after those documents were made and ratified, had their own interpretations on what the current society wanted out of them. Yes, they have been used for good and also manipulated for ones own agenda often ending in negative results. The framers knew this would happen, but as long as the original documents existed, anyone could go back and try again. If you would actually take some time and read them (and others like the bill of rights) you will not see anywhere were there is a no firm guarantees that you will succeed with the opportunities you have nor the amount of opportunities you get. Just the guarantee that you will have them. I think no one will argue that not everyone works hard and many let opportunities slip by, because they have to do some work (many times a lot of hard work) to achieve the results. This is one of several reasons why there is (and always has been even before the US) a gap between the haves and have nots. This gap will always be there so long as you have a portion of your society that don't want to work hard. I will say that African Americans have had a tougher road for sure, but today it is far easier to break through than it was 50 years ago and astonishingly better than 200 years ago. Certainly more work to be done and maybe this current event is another in a series of wake up calls to further move that needle. I also think the Pandemic will actually help this more than if it had happened this time last year or somewhere in the future. Timing is everything. I guess my long winded point is that this country started an experiment which is still ongoing and we have weathered many storms that could have ended it. We still keep going and getting stronger and closer to what the framers envisioned. if you give up now and throw in the towel you are just showing what the monarchy of that time predicted during the revolution of what would happen...it would fail. The good news is that out of all this chaos and the dust has settled, we will still be the USA, but changed and in some way big or small better than we were before. This is not the end, just another chapter that people hundreds of years from now will marvel at and wonder at just how strong we all were to get through it. We all can get through this and have to stay strong and emphasis the good, the changes we need to make to be better and to halt as peacefully as possible (use of force when absolutely necessary) the minority taking advantage and causing the most destruction and negativity.

Anyway my 2 cents.

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