Almost 60K for Loaded 2018 GT

[millhouse]

A tune and CAI will not make 17 equal to an 18 performance wise.

A lund tune and CAI is going to lay down the same RWHP as a MY18.

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[TheReaper]

A lund tune and CAI is going to lay down the same RWHP as a MY18.

I have a Lund tuned 6R80 2014 that will out perform an equal 2017 but I don't think it will run with a stock 2018 A10.

 

[Cgocifer]

You can get a brand new base Corvette for those prices!

Then get a Corvette... lol I've been shopping and the only Corvette I would get would be a Grand Sport, but those are $62K. The 2018 mustang may be able to outrun a stock base vette anyway. Plus, the mustang has a back seat! You might be able to get a used vette for 42-45 grand, but you can also get a used mustang for 27k or less. It's all relative.

 

[Cgocifer]

Many people more articulate than we have debated the topic. Some are purists like you and want to stay true to the original definition. I am more pragmatic. After all, it's a word that was made up just under 100 years ago when automobiles were barely getting started. It's a term that has evolved over time along with automobiles in general. Ford certainly didn't start any changes to the definition, only following suit with pretty much every other manufacturer and consumer out there other than a few stodgy magazine writers.

I'd say it is a sports coupe... lol What is the BMW M3 considered? The modern mustang can match or beat an M3 and can perform close to a Porsche 911 which is considered one of the ultimate sports cars. Personally, I don't care what it's considered. Its a Mustang! It sounds good, looks good, goes fast in a straight line and around corners (now), is affordable for every day Joes, and is an American icon. Insurance would be higher if it was truly categorized as a sports car... So, let's not do that Ford! hahahaa

 

[Cgocifer]

Funny, the last time there was a mid cycle refresh engine change the bump in price was $2100 (2010-2011). Of course, the horsepower bump was nearly 100hp. Do you still think that $3k is a deal...considering a tune and CAI yields the same power on the current gen?

Ah, so what would a tune and CAI yield on the 2018? I personally hope that people don't buy them. That means more rebates for me!!:clap2:

Hey, don't get me wrong, if I had a 2015-2017, I wouldn't be jumping to trade it in on a 2018. However, since I don't yet have one, I figure I'll get the 2018 and modify it from there.

I just sold my 65 Chevelle at Mecum and have been looking for a replacement. You don't even want to know what I spent on the build of that car, but it was about two mustangs worth and I did all of the mechanicals including the LS swap. I got about half of the $$ back, but hey, that's the car hobby. New cars especially aren't an investment, but they're fun. I thought about another hot rod, but I want something I don't have to worry so much about. I considered Corvettes, Challengers, Camaros, used Vipers, etc. and the Mustang just has the right balance of performance, cost, class, and etc.

 

[Cgocifer]

$3000 is $3000, how you plan on financing is immaterial. It's also interesting to see how a Mustang is a $26K car when people complain about body panels, but a $2-3K base price jump is no biggie for a $45K car.

To be objective, the base price jump is about 6%. That might not seem too bad for an extra 25HP, but really you should be looking at the MSRP from 2015. Inflation has been in the 1% range the past 4 years, so we are really looking at $4K+ jump in base during a time inflation was in the 0-1% range. When you add the optioning schemes you end up in a price increase far more than that. We have yet to see any reason for the 33% increase in the PP.

Bottom line, who cares? It is what it is. Manufacturers can charge whatever they want and the market will respond. If people buy them, great, if they don't they'll issue rebates like they always do. Who really pays MSRP anyway? I never have.

I look at it this way. What kind of car do I want? What other cars are there in that category? How much do those cars cost? Of those cars in the category and price range, which offers the best combination of performance, price, refinement, etc.?

Challengers and Camaros are similar in price to the 2018 GT when optioned similarly.

Again, what else can you buy NEW decently optioned for $42-46k with the same or better performance, refinement, and looks (objective)? Sure, you can spend close to $60k for a totally loaded convertible mustang, but you can also buy a PP1 GT for $42k before any haggling.

 

[TomcatDriver]

I'd say it is a sports coupe... lol What is the BMW M3 considered? The modern mustang can match or beat an M3 and can perform close to a Porsche 911 which is considered one of the ultimate sports cars. Personally, I don't care what it's considered. Its a Mustang! It sounds good, looks good, goes fast in a straight line and around corners (now), is affordable for every day Joes, and is an American icon. Insurance would be higher if it was truly categorized as a sports car... So, let's not do that Ford! hahahaa

If you are a purist "sports car" needs to be small, light, two seat and preferably without a roof. I am more pragmatic. When the term was coined that just happened to be the common configuration for a sports car. Things have changed. If you want to be true to the definition few cars bigger than a Miata will fit.

This is a common debate and we are unlikely to resolve it here. In the end words mean what people agree they mean, and to most people "sports car" means a car designed for spirited driving. That's pretty broad.

 

[TomcatDriver]

Bottom line, who cares? It is what it is. Manufacturers can charge whatever they want and the market will respond. If people buy them, great, if they don't they'll issue rebates like they always do. Who really pays MSRP anyway? I never have.

I look at it this way. What kind of car do I want? What other cars are there in that category? How much do those cars cost? Of those cars in the category and price range, which offers the best combination of performance, price, refinement, etc.?

Challengers and Camaros are similar in price to the 2018 GT when optioned similarly.

Again, what else can you buy NEW decently optioned for $42-46k with the same or better performance, refinement, and looks (objective)? Sure, you can spend close to $60k for a totally loaded convertible mustang, but you can also buy a PP1 GT for $42k before any haggling.

Who cares? It's the internet, what else do we have to do other than squabble about things that don't matter. If I am willing to trade a little performance for a little refinement, an M240 xDrive. While a smaller car overall, the rear seats are actually more usable. Mid $40K range. Sure it doesn't sound as good, and repairs out of warranty would be painful, but the panels will all fit.

I'm still waiting for the PP2. I'm in no hurry, if I can get a discount on an 18 anywhere close to what they are offering on 17s right now then MSRP is meaningless anyway.

 

[AlmostFamous]

Then get a Corvette... lol I've been shopping and the only Corvette I would get would be a Grand Sport, but those are $62K. The 2018 mustang may be able to outrun a stock base vette anyway. Plus, the mustang has a back seat! You might be able to get a used vette for 42-45 grand, but you can also get a used mustang for 27k or less. It's all relative.

You can get a brand new base Corvette for $47k right now. And even at 460HP, I don't think it will outrun a Corvette.

Again, what else can you buy NEW decently optioned for $42-46k with the same or better performance, refinement, and looks (objective)? Sure, you can spend close to $60k for a totally loaded convertible mustang, but you can also buy a PP1 GT for $42k before any haggling.

You can buy a Camaro 1SS 1LE for $39k brand new and it will out run a Mustang GT PP w/Magneride in the 1/4 as well as be a superior track car.

Challenger Scat Packs are going for as low as $32k brand new at the moment.

 

[millhouse]

You can buy a Camaro 1SS 1LE for $39k brand new and it will out run a Mustang GT PP w/Magneride in the 1/4 as well as be a superior track car.

Did they already release 1/4 mile and track specs on the MY18 GT?

 

[AlmostFamous]

One of the main reason's I bought my 2016 Mustang GT is price ($27,400 brand new). The Mustang was by far the most competitive vehicle price wise. Compare the base price of my 2016 GT and the 2018 GT, $32,395 vs $39,095. That is a huge jump in price that I feel makes the 2018 GT's non-competitive price wise. On the other-hand, the huge jump in price keeps the resell value of the 2015-2017 GT's higher so in that respect, I'm not complaining one bit.

 

[AlmostFamous]

Did they already release 1/4 mile and track specs on the MY18 GT?

That is purely my opinion. The 5th Gen (2013-2015) Camaro SS 1LE matched the 6th gen Mustang GT PP on the track and in the 1/4 while the 6th gen Camaro SS 1LE was in a class higher performance wise. The Camaro V6 1LE was a second faster than the Mustang GT PP at the track. The Camaro SS 1LE wasn't far behind the GT350.

Lap times (around VIR):

2:44.2 -- 2016 Dodge Viper ACR
2:45.1 -- 2016 Ferrari 488GTB
2:47.0 -- 2016 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
2:47.1 -- 2017 Corvette Grand Sport
2:47.4 -- 2016 McLaren 570S
2:50.2 -- 2017 Acura NSX
2:51.8 -- 2016 Mustang GT350R
2:52.9 -- 2017 BMW //M4 GTS
2:54.0 -- 2016 Porsche Cayman GT4
2:54.8 -- 2017 Chevrolet Camaro V8 1LE
2:56.1 -- 2017 Audi R8 V10 Plus
3:01.9 -- 2016 BMW //M2
3:03.5 -- 2016 Dodge Charger Hellcat
3:03.9 -- 2016 Focus RS
3:04.0 -- 2017 Chevrolet Camaro V6 1LE
3:05.2 -- 2015 Mustang GT PP
3:05.9 -- 2016 Lexus GS-F
3:07.7 -- 2016 Audi TTS

 

[millhouse]

That is purely my opinion.

You should have just stopped there.

1) Different cars on different days can vary by seconds. I've long considered those VIR times to be a rough estimate only. Different drivers, different days (or years).
2) Ford claims over 1/2 second decrease in the MY18 0-60 times. Unless the MY18 is somehow slower on the top end than the current gen, it should be VERY comparable to the current gen camaro in acceleration.
3) The MY18 GTPP has a HUGE advantage over the current gen in that it's tires are FAR superior. The tire change alone can shed several seconds off of a lap.

With that said, no-one here knows how the MY18 will perform.

 

[obgod3]

I dont understand the bitching about price, you can still drop into a well equipped GT premium for 40-43K, thats a steal in the world of performance cars. yeh it wont have all the bells and whistles, but if you want mag-ride, special exhaust, auto etc. etc. yeh you gotta pay for it, sure you can go aftermarket also but I bet there are plenty of folks that have close to or more than 50K in their cars today. performance packs, exhaust, mag-ride, most folks will never know a difference and never use it to it potential anyway. But if you want all that and compare it to other vehicles out there with those things then your going to pay 50 for it. Ive shopped a lot in the last couples years, 50K plus is normal anymore. A dam Fusion Energi Titanium stickers at 42K (nice car but slow as shit), ok you wont pay that for it but the point is cars are getting expensive. if you dont like it dont buy it. I hate the idea of paying 50K for a car but its going to happen because there really is no other choice. Want nice stuff you gotta pay for it. At the end of the day a base GT premium at around 40-42K is pretty dam nice car for the money. Probably get a few grand off via X-Plan anyway.

 

[Kevin08]

I dont understand the bitching about price, you can still drop into a well equipped GT premium for 40-43K, thats a steal in the world of performance cars. yeh it wont have all the bells and whistles, but if you want mag-ride, special exhaust, auto etc. etc. yeh you gotta pay for it, sure you can go aftermarket also but I bet there are plenty of folks that have close to or more than 50K in their cars today. performance packs, exhaust, mag-ride, most folks will never know a difference and never use it to it potential anyway. But if you want all that and compare it to other vehicles out there with those things then your going to pay 50 for it. Ive shopped a lot in the last couples years, 50K plus is normal anymore. A dam Fusion Energi Titanium stickers at 42K (nice car but slow as shit), ok you wont pay that for it but the point is cars are getting expensive. if you dont like it dont buy it. I hate the idea of paying 50K for a car but its going to happen because there really is no other choice. Want nice stuff you gotta pay for it. At the end of the day a base GT premium at around 40-42K is pretty dam nice car for the money. Probably get a few grand off via X-Plan anyway.

Pretty much. I'm at just barely $42k with my options (401A, active exhaust, security, shaker pro). Doesn't really scream 'omg overpriced'.

I think most people at this board just expect to get everything they want (PP, magneride) with all of the luxury shit and act surprised that it's super expensive. Uh yea, that's a fully loaded car.

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